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Photo credit<\/strong>: Adoration in the Forest\u00a0<\/em>(c. 1459), by \u00a0Filippo Lippi (1406-1469)\u00a0[public domain \/\u00a0Wikimedia Commons]<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/p>

Allie Beth Stuckey is a Reformed Baptist mostly known as a conservative political commentator. Her YouTube channel has 712,000 subscribers. Today, we\u2019re replying to part of her video entitled, \u201cThe Mary Debate: Did Jesus Have Siblings? & Other Dogmas\u201d<\/a> (7-30-25). It has over 85,000 views as of this writing, and more than 5,000 comments. First, let\u2019s look at Allie\u2019s comments on this topic:<\/p>\n

5:40 What I\u2019ve found, and I\u2019ve talked about this a lot, is that \u2014 especially in the Bible Belt \u2013, Protestants were not taught really anything about Catholicism.<\/span><\/p>\n

10:50 This first dogma is that Mary is the mother of God. This means \u201cGod-bearer.\u201d And as I said, this is a little bit layered. So let\u2019s get into what this actually means. This is defined at the Council of Ephesus in 431 AD \u2013 a long time ago. This dogma declares that Mary is the Theotokos (God-bearer) because she bore Jesus, Who is fully God and fully human. And so the logic is there. If Jesus is fully God and Mary gave birth to Jesus, then the logic, the math goes that she is the mother of God. The Council of Ephesus was a formal assembly of bishops and church leaders to discuss and settle doctrinal matters. And they emphasized that Mary is not only the mother of Jesus. And then this was combating against this idea that was called Nestorianism at the time, and it tried to separate Jesus\u2019s humanity from Jesus\u2019s Godness [sic]. And so that is why the council of Ephesus at the time said, okay well because we have established this doctrine that Jesus was fully man and fully God which of course we agree with. Then we have to figure out was Mary just the mother of Jesus\u2019s humanity or was she the mother of God himself and they decided that okay she is actually the mother of God.<\/span><\/p>\n

12:48 all Christians agree with that: that Jesus is God and that Mary is Jesus\u2019s mother.<\/span><\/p>\n

40:30 Protestants agree that Mary is the mother of Jesus. So let\u2019s go through these dogmas. Mother of God, Theotokos. Protestants agree that Mary is the mother of Jesus. We agree that Jesus is fully God and fully human. And thus we might affirm the title Theotokos. We would argue that at the council of Ephesus \u2014 when the transfer from Theotokos to Mother of God took place, that something else took place in that translation and transfer that has caused a lot of confusion, and it lies in an implication that Mary is being ascribed some level of divinity, because what we must be careful of is to not argue that God has a source because that would be heresy. I think even the Catholic Church would agree with [us on] that: [and deny that] that God was created or that He was initiated by Mary, that she was a part of God\u2019s beginning.<\/span><\/p>\n

41:51 We just want to make sure that we are drawing a distinction there, that Mary is not God\u2019s source, which I hope my Catholic friends would agree with. So that\u2019s more of just ensuring that we are really clear on that point.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Allie and Protestants who are confused about this need not worry at all. The Catholic Church never taught that Mary was a sort of goddess, from whom God Himself came. That\u2019s blasphemous heresy. If we had<\/em> taught it, it would be a simple matter of documenting<\/em> it from this council or any other, or from some pope. But that\u2019s never done, and it isn\u2019t because it doesn\u2019t exist. It\u2019s simply asserted<\/em> by many Protestants of the anti-Catholic variety, that Catholics think Mary is equal to God; therefore, when we use the language of \u201cMother of God\u201d we are saying that we think God the Holy Trinity was somehow created by her. It\u2019s all nonsense.<\/p>\n

Allie herself doesn\u2019t assert this, and she accurately explained why we use this title, and have made it a dogmatic requirement, in response to the Nestorian heresy. Bravo and kudos to her for doing so. But many Protestants do<\/em> make ludicrous claims about what we supposedly believe about the title Mother of God<\/em>, and it\u2019s a case study of distorting and misrepresenting what a group believes, and what the Orthodox and a great many Protestants believe along with us, too<\/em>.<\/p>\n

Anyone can look up the decrees of the Council of Ephesus. We\u2019ll provide a link to one of these sites. It was made very clear that the council wasn\u2019t making Mary some kind of super-goddess, above God Himself. Here are three relevant statements from it:<\/p>\n

He who existed and was begotten of the Father before all ages is also said to have been begotten according to the flesh of a woman, without the divine nature either beginning to exist in the holy virgin, or needing of itself a second begetting after that from his Father.<\/p>\n

The holy fathers . . . dared to call the holy virgin,\u00a0mother of God<\/em>, not as though the nature of the Word or his godhead received the origin of their being from the holy virgin, but because there was born from her his holy body rationally ensouled, with which the Word was hypostatically united and is said to have been begotten in the flesh.\u00a0(2nd<\/sup> letter of Cyril to Nestorius; from the Papal Encyclicals Online<\/em> site)<\/p>\n

Because the holy virgin bore in the flesh God who was united hypostatically with the flesh,\u00a0for that reason<\/em>\u00a0we call her\u00a0<\/strong>mother of God, not as though the nature of the Word had the beginning of its existence from the flesh (for \u201cthe Word was in the beginning and the Word was God and the Word was with God\u201d, and he made the ages and is coeternal with the Father and craftsman of all things), but because, as we have said, he united to himself hypostatically the human and underwent a birth according to the flesh from her womb. (3rd letter of Cyril to Nestorius)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

The Fourth Synod of Toledo from the year 633 likewise declared:<\/p>\n

We say that the Father [was] neither made nor generated by anyone; we affirm that the Son [was] not made by the Father but generated; we truly profess that the Holy Spirit [was] neither created nor generated but proceeds from the Father and the Son. (Denzinger, Enchiridion symbolorum<\/em>, 2012 edition, #485, p. 166)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Martin Luther (the founder of Protestantism) also made many affirming statements about\u00a0Theotokos<\/em>. Here are two of the most striking ones:<\/p>\n

We, too, know very well that Christ did not derive his deity from Mary; but it does not follow that it must, therefore, be false to say, \u201cGod was born of Mary\u201d and \u201cGod is Mary\u2019s Son\u201d and \u201cMary is God\u2019s mother.\u201d<\/p>\n

Mary is the true, natural mother of the child called Jesus Christ, and the true mother and bearer of God . . . God and man are one Person, one Christ, one Son, one Jesus, not two persons . . . just as your son is not two sons . . . even though he has two natures, body and soul, \u2014 body from you, soul from God alone. (On the Councils and the Church<\/em>, 1539)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

John Calvin agreed. He wrote:<\/p>\n

She [Elizabeth] calls Mary the\u00a0mother of her Lord\u00a0This denotes a unity of person in the two natures of Christ; as if she had said, that he who was begotten a mortal man in the womb of Mary is, at the same time,\u00a0the eternal God. (Harmony of the Synoptic Gospels<\/em>,\u00a0comment under Luke 1:43<\/a>)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

James Cardinal Gibbons, a great apologist in the early 1900s, brilliantly explained the doctrine of\u00a0Theotokos<\/em>:<\/p>\n

But it may be said the Blessed Virgin is not the Mother of the Divinity. She had not, and she could not have, any part in the generation of the Word of God, for that generation is eternal; her maternity is temporal. He is her Creator; she is His creature. Style her, if you will, the Mother of the man Jesus or even of the human nature of the Son of God, but not the Mother of God.<\/p>\n

I shall answer this objection by putting a question. Did the mother who bore us have any part in the production of our\u00a0soul<\/em>? Was not this nobler part of our being the work of God alone? And yet who would for a moment dream of saying \u201cthe mother of my body,\u201d and not \u201cmy<\/em>\u00a0mother?\u201d . . . . .<\/p>\n

In like manner, . . . the Blessed Virgin, under the overshadowing of the Holy Ghost, by communicating to the Second Person of the Adorable Trinity, as mothers do, a true human nature of the same substance with her own, is thereby really and truly His Mother. . . .<\/p>\n

In this sense, and in no other, has the Church called her by that title. (The Faith of Our Fathers<\/em>, New York: P.J. Kenedy & Sons, revised edition, 1917, 137-138)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Source<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

\u201cCouncil Of Ephesus \u2013 431 A.D.\u201d<\/a> ( Papal Encyclicals Online<\/em>)<\/p>\n

Related Book<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

\u00a0<\/strong>Theology of God: Biblical, Chalcedonian Trinitarianism and Christology<\/em><\/a> (2012)<\/p>\n

\u00a0<\/strong>Web Page<\/strong><\/p>\n

Mary: The Blessed Virgin<\/em> <\/a>[section V]<\/p>\n

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Photo credit<\/strong>: Adoration in the Forest<\/em>\u00a0(c. 1459), by \u00a0Filippo Lippi (1406-1469)\u00a0[public domain \/\u00a0Wikimedia Commons<\/a>]<\/p>\n

Summary<\/em>: Protestant YouTuber Allie Beth Stuckey put out a pretty good video about Mary \u201cMother of God\u201d (Theotokos). But I reiterate that Catholics don\u2019t think she bore God the Father (!!)<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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Formerly a campus missionary, as a Protestant, Dave was received into the Catholic Church in February 1991, by the late, well-known catechist and theologian, Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J. Dave\u2019s articles have appeared in many influential Catholic periodicals, including \"This Rock\" (now called \"Catholic Answers Magazine\"), \"Envoy Magazine\" (Patrick Madrid), \"The Catholic Answer,\" \"The Coming Home Journal,\" \"Gilbert Magazine\" (American Chesterton Society), and \"The Latin Mass.\" He also writes a featured column for every issue of \"The Michigan Catholic\": published by the archdiocese of Detroit, and was editor for most of the apologetics tracts published by the St. Paul Street Evangelization apostolate. Dave\u2019s apologetics and writing apostolate was the subject of a feature article in the May 2002 issue of \"Envoy Magazine.\" He served as the staff moderator at the Internet discussion forum for The Coming Home Network, from 2007-2010. Dave has been interviewed on many nationally syndicated Catholic radio shows, including \"Catholic Answers Live\" (twice), \"Faith and Family Live\" (Steve Wood), \"Kresta in the Afternoon,\" \"Son Rise Morning Show,\" \"Catholic Connection\" (Teresa Tomeo), and \"The Catholics Next Door.\" His large and popular website, \"Biblical Evidence for Catholicism,\" was online from March 1997 to March 2007, and received the 1998 Catholic Website of the Year award from \"Envoy Magazine.\" His blog of the same name (now transferred to Patheos), begun in February 2004, contains more than 1,500 papers, at least 500 debates or dialogues, and over 50 distinct \"index\" web pages. Unsolicited correspondence has indicated many hundreds of conversions (or returns) to the Catholic faith as a result, by God's grace, of these writings. Dave's conversion story was published in the bestselling book \"Surprised by Truth\" (edited by Patrick Madrid; San Diego: Basilica Press, 1994). Sophia Institute Press has published six of his books: \"A Biblical Defense of Catholicism\" (Foreword by Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J., 1996 \/ 2003), \"The Catholic Verses\" (2004), \"The One-Minute Apologist\" (2007), \"Bible Proofs for Catholic Truths\" (2009), \"The Quotable Newman\" (editor: 2012), and \"Proving the Catholic Faith is Biblical\" (2015). He is co-author (with Dr. Paul Thigpen) of the inserts for \"The New Catholic Answer Bible\" (Our Sunday Visitor: 2005), and editor for \"The Wisdom of Mr. Chesterton: The Very Best Quotes, Quips, and Cracks from the Pen of G. K. Chesterton\" (Saint Benedict Press \/ TAN Books: 2009). \"100 Biblical Arguments Against Sola Scriptura\" was published by Catholic Answers in May 2012. His \"Quotable Wesley\" compilation was published by (Protestant \/ Wesleyan publisher) Beacon Hill Press in April 2014. Several of his 49 books are bestsellers in their field. Dave maintains a popular personal Facebook page, a Facebook author page, and has a Twitter account as well. He offers almost all of his books in e-book form on his own Biblical Catholicism site (http:\/\/biblicalcatholicism.com\/), at a permanent deep discount: only $2.99 for ePub, mobi, and AZW, and $1.99 for PDF. His writing has been enthusiastically endorsed or recommended by many leading Catholic apologists, authors, and priests, including Dr. Scott Hahn, Fr. Peter M. J. Stravinskas, Marcus Grodi, Patrick Madrid, Steve Ray, Tim Staples, Devin Rose, Mike Aquilina, Al Kresta, Karl Keating, Fr. Dwight Longenecker, Brandon Vogt, Marcellino D'Ambrosio, and Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J. Dave has been happily married to his wife Judy since October 1984. 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