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This is the transcript of the initial presentation of the video, \u201cThe Eucharist is a Miracle! [Biblical Proof]\u201d<\/a> (Catholic Bible Highlights<\/em> with Kenny Burchard, 4-24-26)<\/p>\n

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Fran\u00e7ois Turretin (1623-1687) is regarded as the most important Calvinist theologian and apologist after John Calvin himself. I will cite his most important work,\u00a0Institutes of Elenctic Theology<\/em>,\u00a0Vol. 3, and offer replies to it (his words in blue<\/span>). Here\u2019s the first quotation from that work:<\/p>\n

A body cannot be granted which does not have quantity and extension, since quantity and extension do not differ really from the material substance, but are identified with it.<\/span> (19th Topic: The Sacraments \/ 28th Question: The Corporeal Presence of Christ in the Supper . . .<\/em>, from the translation of George Musgrave Giger, edited by James T. Dennison, Jr., Presbyterian and Reformed Publishing Company: 1997)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

In the purely natural world, this is true. But in the supernatural world, where bodies and other material things have extraordinary capabilities, Jesus\u2019 body and blood in the Eucharist have characteristics that normal bodies don\u2019t have. Miracles always entail going beyond the natural. It\u2019s almost as if Turretin can\u2019t or won\u2019t make exceptions to the laws of nature, for miracles. All of a sudden he has no belief in miracles, when it comes to the Eucharist. But why should\u00a0it<\/em>\u00a0be different from any other<\/em> miracle? Here\u2019s another one from him:<\/p>\n

All these and many other monstrosities of the same kind . . . are . . . most absurd . . .\u00a0 creations of the human imagination, bringing the Christian religion into disgrace with infidels.\u00a0<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

To the contrary, all of the aspects of the Holy Eucharist are every bit as possible as all the other miracles that we see described in the Bible. Once the miraculous is possible in the first place, then any and all \u201codd\u201d or \u201cweird\u201d or unexpected scenarios are possible. Turretin arbitrarily sets apart the one miracle and declares it\u00a0\u201cmonstrous\u201d\u00a0and a\u00a0\u201cdisgrace\u201d\u00a0but he does so only by thinking in a radically unbiblical, cynical, and skeptical way, as the Pauline \u201ccarnal man\u201d does.<\/p>\n

The possibility of miracles or their occurrence as facts of history aren\u2019t determined on the basis of whether we personally\u00a0like<\/em>\u00a0them or not. If we take that approach, we\u2019re like the unbelieving Pharisees who opposed Jesus, saying, \u201cIt is only by Be-elzebul, the prince of demons, that this man casts out demons\u201d (Mt 12:24). This was not merely a lack of ability to believe; but sinful unbelief<\/em>.<\/p>\n

Turretin\u2019s arguments against the Real Presence are very weak, and scarcely even biblical or Christian. They\u00a0do<\/em>, however, fit right in with the approach of an atheist, who will deny every miracle in the Bible or any other purported one, because he has already arbitrarily and unreasonably decided beforehand that they are impossible. But at least the atheist is\u00a0consistent.<\/em>\u00a0He doesn\u2019t arbitrarily select one miracle to reject, while accepting others, on no consistent basis, other than simply because\u00a0Catholics<\/em>\u00a0accept them; sort of a \u201cguilt by association.\u201d He says, further:<\/p>\n

For if the form alone remains, how could Christ and Paul so often call it bread and the fruit of the vine? . . .<\/span><\/p>\n

The Eucharistic symbols retain the same name after the consecration which they had before (namely, the name of bread and wine). This would not have been done if in virtue of the consecratory words they had ceased to be bread and wine and were changed into the body and blood of Christ.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

In part, Catholics speak of outward appearances, as Bible writers often do, and\/or refer to the accidents or outward characteristics in those instances. Everyone does the same thing when they say that \u201cthe sun is going down\u201d. But Jesus simultaneously<\/em>\u00a0does\u00a0both<\/em>\u00a0things. In John 6:51 He said, \u201cif any one eats of this bread, he will live for ever; and the bread which I shall give for the life of the world is my flesh\u201d, and in Matthew 26:26 at the Last Supper, the text says, \u201cJesus took bread, and . . . gave it to the disciples and said, \u201cTake, eat; this is my body\u201d.<\/p>\n

Likewise, Paul states in 1 Corinthians 10:16: \u201cThe cup of blessing which we bless, is it not a participation in the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ?\u201d And in 11:23-24 he declared, \u201cthe Lord Jesus on the night when he was betrayed took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it, and said, \u201cThis is my body which is for you.\u201d Then Paul says in 11:27: \u201cWhoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of profaning the body and blood of the Lord.\u201d And in 11:29 he casually refers to \u201cone who eats and drinks without discerning the body\u201d.<\/p>\n

Note also that Paul\u2019s use of \u201cdrink the cup\u201d (1 Cor 11:26-27). No one can literally \u201cdrink a cup\u201d and must drink what it contains. But how do we\u00a0know<\/em>\u00a0what is in this cup? We know by the\u00a0context.<\/em> In 1:25 Paul states, \u201cIn the same way also the cup, after supper, saying, \u2018This cup is the new covenant in my blood . . .\u2019\u201d.<\/p>\n

The words \u201cbread\u201d and \u201cwine\u201d in Holy Communion refer to the accidents of outward appearance, while the literal use refers to transubstantiation and the body and blood of the Lord.\u00a0Otherwise, we are left with mere bread and wine being passed out, and no body and blood of Christ at all, and Jesus being\u00a0equated<\/em>\u00a0with mere bread and wine, which is both absurd and blasphemous. But he\u2019s not done yet. Mr. Turretin has more:<\/p>\n

Omnipotence extends itself to all things possible, but not to those which are impossible; such as are those which imply a contradiction, which God can no more be said to be able to do than it be said that he is able to lie and sin. . . .\u00a0 these marks . . . God not only cannot do, but . . . cannot even will to do, because they are contrary to his wisdom, holiness and truth and repugnant to the laws established by him in nature.<\/span> (19th Topic: The Sacraments \/ 28th Question: The Corporeal Presence of Christ in the Supper . . .<\/em>, from the translation of George Musgrave Giger, edited by James T. Dennison, Jr., Presbyterian and Reformed Publishing Company: 1997)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

There is no inherent contradiction in God changing bread and wine into His body and blood. It\u2019s odd, strange, and not predictable, but not contradictory. God can certainly do this. He\u2019s not\u00a0limited<\/em>\u00a0by all of these laws of matter, simply Turretin doesn\u2019t\u00a0like<\/em>\u00a0eucharistic realism. Turretin almost seems to say that God is constrained by the very laws that He created, that we analyze through scientific study. He\u2019s not at all, of course. Every miracle proves this. Turretin claims:<\/p>\n

Although we confess that God can work above the order of nature, still we deny that his omnipotence extends to those things which are contrary to nature and the order established in it, because he cannot . . . overturn the order settled by himself.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

This is ludicrous and almost blasphemous. As I suspected, Turretin \u2013 in effect \u2014 demotes the biblical transcendent God and sovereign Master of the universe to a sort of deist so-called \u201cgod\u201d that is absurdly lesser than the mere laws that He made. Every miracle makes mincemeat of this self-contradictory and unbiblical nonsense.<\/p>\n

The Real Presence in the Eucharist is not impossible at all! Turretin deludes himself. There are some things that really are impossible, even for God, because they are logical self-contradictions. He can\u2019t make Himself exist and not exist at the same time or simultaneously eternal and not eternal. He can\u2019t make a circle a square. He can\u2019t simultaneously<\/em> subsist in Four Divine Persons and Three, or create a world in which 2+2=4 and\u00a0also<\/em>\u00a0equals 5. And (here\u2019s the famous one), He can\u2019t make a rock so big that He can\u2019t lift it. All of those things are impossible for even an omnipotent being to do. But the Eucharist as Catholics believe it is not among these. Turretin, oddly enough, thinks like the biblical \u201ccarnal\u201d or \u201cunspiritual\u201d man, that Paul describes:<\/p>\n

1 Corinthians 2:11-12, 14, 16<\/strong>\u00a0. . . no one comprehends the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. [12] Now we have received not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit which is from God, that we might understand the gifts bestowed on us by God. . . . [14]\u00a0The unspiritual man does not receive the gifts of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned. . . .\u00a0[16] . . . But we have the mind of Christ.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

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Related Videos<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

How Can Bread and Wine be the Presence of Jesus? The Bible has the answer! Calvinist Hyper-Rationalism vs. the Biblical Teaching of Twenty Kinds of God\u2019s Presence<\/a> [50 minutes, 5-23-25]<\/p>\n

Can JESUS be in the Eucharist? Protestant Doubts vs. BIBLICAL Faith!<\/a> [32 minutes, 5-29-25]<\/p>\n

The Real Presence: Why Protestant Arguments Keep Failing<\/a> [42 minutes, 2-5-26]\u00a0\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n

Related Web Page<\/strong>\u00a0<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

Eucharist, Sacrifice of the Mass, & Liturgical Issues<\/a><\/p>\n

Related Book<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

Biblical Catholic Eucharistic Theology<\/em><\/a>\u00a0(2011, 222 pages)<\/p>\n

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Dave has been interviewed on many nationally syndicated Catholic radio shows, including \"Catholic Answers Live\" (twice), \"Faith and Family Live\" (Steve Wood), \"Kresta in the Afternoon,\" \"Son Rise Morning Show,\" \"Catholic Connection\" (Teresa Tomeo), and \"The Catholics Next Door.\" His large and popular website, \"Biblical Evidence for Catholicism,\" was online from March 1997 to March 2007, and received the 1998 Catholic Website of the Year award from \"Envoy Magazine.\" His blog of the same name (now transferred to Patheos), begun in February 2004, contains more than 1,500 papers, at least 500 debates or dialogues, and over 50 distinct \"index\" web pages. Unsolicited correspondence has indicated many hundreds of conversions (or returns) to the Catholic faith as a result, by God's grace, of these writings. Dave's conversion story was published in the bestselling book \"Surprised by Truth\" (edited by Patrick Madrid; San Diego: Basilica Press, 1994). Sophia Institute Press has published six of his books: \"A Biblical Defense of Catholicism\" (Foreword by Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J., 1996 \/ 2003), \"The Catholic Verses\" (2004), \"The One-Minute Apologist\" (2007), \"Bible Proofs for Catholic Truths\" (2009), \"The Quotable Newman\" (editor: 2012), and \"Proving the Catholic Faith is Biblical\" (2015). He is co-author (with Dr. Paul Thigpen) of the inserts for \"The New Catholic Answer Bible\" (Our Sunday Visitor: 2005), and editor for \"The Wisdom of Mr. Chesterton: The Very Best Quotes, Quips, and Cracks from the Pen of G. K. Chesterton\" (Saint Benedict Press \/ TAN Books: 2009). \"100 Biblical Arguments Against Sola Scriptura\" was published by Catholic Answers in May 2012. His \"Quotable Wesley\" compilation was published by (Protestant \/ Wesleyan publisher) Beacon Hill Press in April 2014. Several of his 49 books are bestsellers in their field. Dave maintains a popular personal Facebook page, a Facebook author page, and has a Twitter account as well. He offers almost all of his books in e-book form on his own Biblical Catholicism site (http:\/\/biblicalcatholicism.com\/), at a permanent deep discount: only $2.99 for ePub, mobi, and AZW, and $1.99 for PDF. His writing has been enthusiastically endorsed or recommended by many leading Catholic apologists, authors, and priests, including Dr. Scott Hahn, Fr. Peter M. J. Stravinskas, Marcus Grodi, Patrick Madrid, Steve Ray, Tim Staples, Devin Rose, Mike Aquilina, Al Kresta, Karl Keating, Fr. Dwight Longenecker, Brandon Vogt, Marcellino D'Ambrosio, and Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J. Dave has been happily married to his wife Judy since October 1984. 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