Wingnut on Wingnut Crime: Robertson vs Moore

Wingnut on Wingnut Crime: Robertson vs Moore August 22, 2012

On the 700 Club last week, Pat Robertson responded to a woman who wrote in and talked about how men run when they find out she has three adopted children from overseas. Robertson, always the charmer, defended those men and slammed adoption from overseas. Here’s the video:

httpv://youtu.be/HhyJpLIpRVA

Russell Moore of the Southern Baptist Convention wrote an op-ed in the Christian Post saying that Robertson’s advice was “of the devil.”

I am taking a deep breath here and reciting Beatitudes to myself. I had promised never to mention Robertson here again. Every few months he says some crazy scandalous thing. He blames 9/11 and Hurricane Katrina on gays and lesbians, cozies up to the Chinese coercive and murderous one-child policy, counsels a man that he can divorce his Alzheimer’s-riddled wife because she’s “not there” anymore.

Let me just say this bluntly. This is not just a statement we ought to disagree with. This is of the devil…

The issue here isn’t just that Robertson is, with cruel and callous language, dismissing the Christian mandate to care for the widows and orphans in their distress. The issue is that his disregard is part of a larger worldview. The prosperity and power gospel Robertson has preached fits perfectly well with the kind of counsel he’s giving in recent years. Give China a pass on their murderous policies; we’ve got business interests there. Divorce your weak wife; she can’t do anything for you anymore. Those adopted kids might have brain damage; they’re “weird.” What matters is health and wealth and power. But that’s not the gospel of Jesus Christ. For too long, we’ve let our leaders replace the cross with an Asherah pole. Enough is enough.

Pass the popcorn.

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  • d cwilson

    Here’s hoping that more self-described Christians denounce and condemn Crazy Uncle Pat and his insane distribes.

  • iangould

    I’m unfamiliar with Moore. what qualifies him as a wngnut?

  • Dennis N
  • daved

    @3

    I’m hard-pressed to see how the sentiments expressed by Moore make him a wingnut. Now, I don’t know if he’s consistently taking such positions, but between his eviscerating Robertson, and the post he wrote jointly for the CNN web site, he’s at least talking the talk. Whether he walks the walk, I have no idea. But his sentiments are at least what I would hope that a self-professed Christian would do (and so many don’t).

  • iangould

    So, he thinks Mormonism isn’t a form of Christianity?

    Given the history of the Christian church, I’d regard that as a compliment.

  • Draken

    Still I wonder what he thinks the alternative for Chinese birth control would be.

  • THat’s what got me about crazy uncle Pat: Not only was he giving reprehensible advice, it wasn’t even standard fundie stuff. The right answer is that you have to adopt all the little brown children to save from from their savage cultures and bring them to Jesus.

  • Dennis N

    daved, I don’t actually know if he’s a wingnut or not, I was just saying to enjoy your RWW reading. I always find it an entertaining read.

  • bobaho

    OK… You folks got to hone you “True Scotsman” arguments when rightwingwatch.org has this:

    Finally, the quote of the day from Russell Moore, dean of the School of Theology at Southern Baptist Theological Seminary: “There’s really nothing conservative — and certainly nothing evangelical — about a laissez-faire view of a lack of government regulation, because we, as Christians, believe in sin. That means if people are sinful, if all of us are sinful, then all of us have to have accountability — and that includes corporations. Simply trusting corporations to go about their business without polluting the water streams and without destroying ecosystems is really a naive and utopian view of human nature. It’s not a Christian view of human nature.”

    From this and the quote above, the guy comes across as sane, ethical, and possessing integrity, three qualities I do not associate with wingnuttery. I understand he holds views many (including myself) consider to be silly superstitions. Nevertheless, he has a record, one that most would be proud of, of being a decent respectful human being. This is definitely not one of your better moments here.

  • andrewjohnston

    This is some classic RR hypocrisy. Pro-lifers tend to use adoption as an all-purpose cudgel, even though there is little support from those groups for policies that encourage adoption. Usually, you’ll hear them going off on the supposed “shortage” of adoptable children.

    There is no shortage, but many people think exactly like Robertson – they imagine that foster kids are too damaged to be worth their time. Non-infants are extremely difficult to place due to just these sentiments, and children who were removed from their parents are almost impossible to permanently place.

    Those kids seldom get adopted by the nice, ideal Christian homes, but they are often placed with other caregivers – individuals, older couples, and gay couples. Of course, the latter makes those same people howl and moan, even as they have no better solution for an overburdened and broken foster care system. The most egregious example of this was the Roe case from a few years ago, which Ed wrote about at length – it’s okay to let gays raise damaged kids, but as soon as they’re healthy and well-adjusted they have to go to “good” homes.

    It’s sickening. All of this would be funny if there weren’t real people suffering real harm, all because of someone else’s moralism.

  • Ellie

    Thank you, Mr. Robert$on, for assuring me that I am not my brother’s keeper.

  • Draken “Still I wonder what he thinks the alternative for Chinese birth control would be.”

    Isn’t Chinese birth control when you hop out, run around her, and hop back in, or am I the worst person in the world for thinking that?

  • Michael Heath

    iangould:

    I’m unfamiliar with Moore. what qualifies him as a wngnut?

    daved:

    I’m hard-pressed to see how the sentiments expressed by Moore make him a wingnut.

    While Dennis N provides a link to evidence beyond what Ed quotes here, this assertion alone which Ed quotes above is convincing evidence Mr. Moore’s a wingnut:

    This is not just a statement we ought to disagree with. This is of the devil…

    [emphasis mine – MH]

  • andrewjohnston

    Michael Heath @13: Well, he was referring to Glenn Beck when he said that…granted, because Beck is Mormon rather than because he’s a nut, but still.

  • edmundog

    Oh, that’s a relief. Before I hit the jump, I thought it was going to be Roy Moore, thereby creating the unprecedented event of him being right about something.

  • bobaho

    So Mr. Heath, it is your contention that all people of religion are wingnuts? Russell Moore is pointing out the hypocrisy of Robertson, at least from their particular sect, and assigns that behavior to the devil. I agree with Moore’s contention, 1 Timothy 6:10, and all that; if you are going to have a God and a Devil in competition, then Robertson’s behavior is indefensible from a Christian point of view.

    Funny how this part of Mr. Moore’s opinion never made it to the front page:

    I say to my non-Christian friends and neighbors, if you want to see the gospel of Christ, the gospel that has energized this church for two thousand years, turn off the television. The grinning cartoon characters who claim to speak for Christ don’t speak for him.

    Again, I shook off that silly superstition years ago. However, I am not going to say that every person of faith is a greedy, delusion, hate-filled bigot like Robertson. Looking at Moore’s blog, it contains some of the usual SBTS stuff, but it also has some sober admonishments about keeping church and state separated, something few wingnuts believe. Indeed, the guy seems to make a real effort to say if the strength of his argument is not enough to persuade, then he is not looking to government or outside help to impose his religion (and other viewpoints) on others. That is the opposite of the wingnut position.

  • rbh3

    As a side note, I was interested in Moore’s invocation of an Asherah pole:<

    But that’s not the gospel of Jesus Christ. For too long, we’ve let our leaders replace the cross with an Asherah pole. Enough is enough.

    That harks back to Judaism’s early polytheism–Asherah was a fertility goddess and arguably Yahweh’s consort back when he was the war god of an obscure middle Eastern tribe.

  • iangould

    Drakwn, the One child Policy was necessary back in the 1980’s because Mao had been actively encouraging peopel to have as many children as possible. If that had continued, China was headed for disaster and starvation.

    However, as countries get richer, the status of women improves and infant moprtality falls, birth rates fall. That happens everywhere.

    China, if it got rid of the One Child Policy, given its current incoem, would probably be either just above or just below replacement. We knoq this, for one thing, because about one third of China’s population is, at least in theory, exempt from the policy. That includes members of the various ethnic minorities and farmign families. The birth rate amongst these groups has been falling consistently.

    The One Child Policy doesn’t prevent a lot of births. what it does do is give local Communist party officials an excuse to extort large sums of money from people for breaking it.

  • Michael Heath

    bobaho writes:

    So Mr. Heath, it is your contention that all people of religion are wingnuts?

    Uh no; nor did I even hint at such. I’m a regular reader and fan-boy of Andrew Sullivan and proud supporter of Barack Obama. I do think blaming another human’s behavior on the devil is a particularly infantile form of delusional wingnuttery; in fact I think that should be self-evident. Do you disagree? If so, please make a case on why it isn’t wingnuttery simply because it’s popular to think so.

  • Anyone care to translate from Wingnut to English:

    “replace the cross with an Asherah pole.”

    I’ve spent 15 solid minutes on the google machine and I can’t figure it out.

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  • davidguys

    @2 – Truthfully having gone through all of the listed links from RWW I haven’t seen anything I would consider particularly wingnutty from Moore. Quite frankly his views are a bit of a breath of fresh air coming from somebody on the religious right, particularly in comparison to the crazy we usually see coming from that side.

    He actually seems like somebody you could sit down and have an honest debate with, without having it devolve into “yeah, well Obama is hitler”.

  • rbh3

    fredricmartin asked

    Anyone care to translate from Wingnut to English:

    “replace the cross with an Asherah pole.”

    I interpreted that as saying that Robertson has replaced ‘true’ Christianity with a set of heretical beliefs about God, embodied in Robertson’s prosperity gospel. I don’t know for sure, though.