separate post<\/a> trying to see how the distractions from the self-proclaimed gatekeepers of science that what he is engaging in is pseudo-science or bad-science.<\/p>\nIn search for Holistic Science should you really start with an \u201canswer\u201d? <\/p>\n
He wants to see how the \u201cbeyond matter and into Unified Force\u201d world can be best explained without getting this charge \u2026. and of course, staying clear of the Bibllical enthusiasts of Creationism.<\/p>\n
The fight, in other words, is not between Science and God as many irresponsible and ignorant US commenters would have us believe.. but between the dogmatic and close-minded (irrespective whether they call themselves men of science or God) and between open minded explorers of existence and the \u201creal Truth\u201d.<\/p>\n
The top question, then, in this dialogue is obviously, whether it is worth \u201cfighting\u201d the hard science? Below is my take\u2026<\/p>\n
Its not just that it will be difficult to take hard science along but it is the mindsets that one will have to unfruitfully challenge. As for the \u201cknowledge\u201d of hard science \u2013 that should be our guiding factor.<\/p>\n
It is very rightly said \u2013 that beyond a certain point observational evidence in the search for truth ends. Something that is beyond time, space and causality cannot be explained within it. So logic \u2013 which essentially preys on cause and effect becomes a useless companion on that journey after a certain point.<\/p>\n
The question is then how do we approach this issue ? I agree the hocus pocus of the religions should be eliminated. The rules\/codes\/morals etc of religion should at no point be mixed in this exploration. What was supposed to be a \u201crecommended\u201d approach in the journey of a Spiritual Master quite quickly becomes his \u201cedict\u201d unwittingly! So that is of no use.<\/p>\n
At some level I am convinced that the ONLY reasons why we cannot get to truth is because:<\/p>\n
1. We are not ready to believe what we know but ready to believe what we \u201cthink\u201d we \u201cshould know\u201d and so we run away from questioning our inferences
\n2. We cannot extend the FULL ramifications of ONE piece of \u201ctruth\u201d to its maximum scale!<\/p>\n
For example, every scientist knows that at the micro level there is no matter. This is no hocus-pocus. It is a fact. It is also a fact that the creation and destruction of those sub particles is not completely understood. These facts are \u201chard\u201d facts.<\/p>\n
What inferences can we draw from these at a macro level? The questions and debate is regarding THE \u201cextrapolation\u201d of the micro facts to the macro level!<\/p>\n
I say forget \u2013 for a moment \u2013 the idea that \u201cintelligent consciousness\u201d brings about the structure from the probable waves\u2026 and just concentrate on the very question as to WHY should indeed a structure .. and a coherent one at that \u2013 in auto pilot \u2013 should emerge out of infinite probabilistic world??!<\/p>\n
Lets try and chalk out all the possible ways that a world of Darwin be born out of Infinite Waves interacting with further Infinite waves?<\/p>\n
Yes, what we see is \u201cHARD\u201d reality \u2013 but WHY should such a \u201chard\u201d reality be a reality given its micro TRUE REALITY??<\/p>\n
Where Dr. Chopra and several of the other \u201cNew Agers\u201d falter, IMHO, is they try to PROVIDE an ANSWER! Instead of answers the need of the hour is to provide QUESTIONS. Questions that help every mind think and search for individual answers.<\/p>\n
Think for a moment.. the inherent \u201csmugness\u201d associated with the person who provides a \u201creadymade\u201d answer to something esoteric will never give him\/her any credibility in a world of skeptics.. would it?<\/p>\n
I am arguing that SKEPTICISM is an ALLY in the quest for Truth not FAITH! By providing \u201can\u201d answer.. we unwittingly yearn for \u201cFaith\u201d.. dont we? My question is Why should we?<\/p>\n
Yes, the Grandmasters of Spirituality have provided various answers\u2026 but each one of those Masters were inconsistent too if you were strong enough to question and compare the same guy\u2019s teaching #1 with teaching #99. What they provided was .. again.. \u201can\u201d answer.. not necessarily the \u201cright\u201d answer! In themselves, NO book or Master has ever provided the \u201cTruth\u201d\u2026. the only way you can understand the basic direction of Truth is by connecting \u201cdots\u201d left by multiple Masters..<\/p>\n
The question that I have often asked myself has been \u2013 could these Masters not give a consistent \u201cTruth\u201d because they were not competent<\/em> or inherently dishonest<\/em>?<\/p>\nThe only answer that I have been able to discern is \u2013 that it is NOT POSSIBLE to be CONSISTENT and COMPLETELY logical throughout.. within the Framework of CAUSALITY. It is just not possible! For example, in a dream you see things and \u201cdo\u201d stuff that is nonsensical.. and you know it as the Dreamer and not as the Dreamed. As the actor within the dream it all looks \u201cfine\u201d\u2026 until the Dreamer (who is dreaming) QUESTIONS!<\/p>\n
So, a simple conclusion from me \u2013 no one and no book can ever.. EVER be consistent and comprehensive within the the CAUSAL World!<\/p>\n
Having said that, we are just as well in the throes of Causality as those Spiritual Masters were. There is no faculty of human knowledge that we can say we are consistent in at the COMPREHENSIVE level\u2026 not even Physics and mathematics. We reduce the area of scrutiny and make ourselves feel as though we are consistent. But that is a false sense of accomplishment.<\/p>\n
Therefore, if we were to provide answer, consistent we definitely<\/strong> will not be. That I forward as a given. In my view, the best way forward is to formulate Questions.. Questions that have benefit of the wisdom of the Masters but not an overbearance of their sure answers!<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"DK Matai – at Intentblog – in engaged in a “Socratic Dialogue” to work towards a framework of Holistic understanding of nature and creation. He wrote an interesting post on Unified Force<\/a> and many people contributed to that post through comments and he continues it in a separate post<\/a> trying to see how the distractions from the self-proclaimed gatekeepers of science that what he is engaging in is pseudo-science or bad-science.<\/p>\nIn search for Holistic Science should you really start with an “answer”? <\/p>\n
He wants to see how the “beyond matter and into Unified Force” world can be best explained without getting this charge …. and of course, staying clear of the Bibllical enthusiasts of Creationism.<\/p>\n
The fight, in other words, is not between Science and God as many irresponsible and ignorant US commenters would have us believe.. but between the dogmatic and close-minded (irrespective whether they call themselves men of science or God) and between open minded explorers of existence and the “real Truth”.<\/p>\n
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