{"id":101,"date":"2013-02-28T11:18:00","date_gmt":"2013-02-28T18:18:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/admin.patheos.com\/blogs\/ecperson\/2013\/02\/28\/talking-with-two-abdicating-academics\/"},"modified":"2016-07-27T15:08:42","modified_gmt":"2016-07-27T22:08:42","slug":"talking-with-two-abdicating-academics","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/ecperson\/2013\/02\/28\/talking-with-two-abdicating-academics\/","title":{"rendered":"Talking with two abdicating academics"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p>We are re-launching Religion Ethnicity Wired again today. That\u2019s right: the same day that the pope is abdicating.<\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s a perfect day to re-launch the conversation on religion and ethnicity. I trust folks like <a href=\"https:\/\/www.wordonfire.org\/WoF-Blog\/WoF-Blog\/February-2013\/News--Father-Barron-to-Report-on-Papal-Abdication.aspx\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Fr. Robert Barron<\/a> and <a href=\"http:\/\/www.jesuit.org\/blog\/index.php\/tag\/jesuit-father-james-martin\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Fr. Jim Martin, SJ<\/a>, to give astute comments on the abdication on live television, not to mention the flurry of reflective activity in Catholic periodicals.\u00a0 Check out <a href=\"http:\/\/www.osv.com\/OSV4MeNav\/TheHolyFathers\/PapalTransition2013\/tabid\/8689\/Default.aspx\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Our Sunday Visitor<\/a>, <a href=\"http:\/\/americamagazine.org\/issue\/article\/historic-departure\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">America Magazine<\/a>, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.commonwealmagazine.org\/after-benedict\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Commonweal Magazine<\/a>, and <a href=\"http:\/\/www.thetablet.co.uk\/blogs\/489\/26\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">The Tablet<\/a> for details.<\/p>\n<p>What I find remarkable, though, is that recently, we have had not one, but <i>two<\/i>, religious leaders step down. Both were academics.<\/p>\n<p>In his prior life, Pope Benedict XVI was Professor Joseph Ratzinger at the University of T\u00fcbingen. The other one, Rowan Williams, <a href=\"http:\/\/rowanwilliams.archbishopofcanterbury.org\/articles.php\/2173\/archbishop-of-canterbury-to-be-master-of-magdalene-college-cambridge\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">stepped down<\/a> at the end of 2012 from his post as Archbishop of Canterbury. Both of them, citing their <a href=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=exSZqcQ3YZw\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">weariness from the posts<\/a>, commented on their welcome return to a life of study and contemplation. Rowan Williams has <a href=\"http:\/\/www.magd.cam.ac.uk\/college-news\/dr-rowan-williams-appointed-as-new-master-\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">gone to Cambridge<\/a>. Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI will live in a <a href=\"http:\/\/ncronline.org\/blogs\/ncr-today\/pope-gets-retirement-title-focusing-prayer\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">re-modeled convent<\/a> with his secretary, his cats, his piano, and his books.<\/p>\n<p>Even as academia itself has been squeezed over the last decade by market re-structuring, we\u2019ve had not one, but <i>two<\/i>, religious leaders who were specialists in not only theology, but the <i>humanities<\/i>.\u00a0 In fact, they, like academia, were squeezed too, criticized for being <i>too academic<\/i>, more interested in keeping the conversation going than enforcing strong leadership.<\/p>\n<p>Take, for example, the conversation on Islam. Both the pope and the archbishop got flack for stuff they said on Muslims. Pope Benedict got protested when he quoted from an anti-Islamic text in a lecture he gave on <a href=\"http:\/\/www.vatican.va\/holy_father\/benedict_xvi\/speeches\/2006\/september\/documents\/hf_ben-xvi_spe_20060912_university-regensburg_en.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">faith, reason, and the university at the University of Regensburg<\/a>. He was trying to start a conversation on Christianity and Western thought. Bad as the reaction was, though, the conversation did eventually get somewhere: <a href=\"http:\/\/www.acommonword.com\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">A Common Word Between Us and You,<\/a> a response on the part of Muslim leaders across the theological spectrum to Christians across their theological spectrum on what Christians and Muslims actually had in common. For his part, Rowan Williams then got criticized for saying that he could see <a href=\"http:\/\/rowanwilliams.archbishopofcanterbury.org\/articles.php\/1137\/archbishops-lecture-civil-and-religious-law-in-england-a-religious-perspective\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">shari\u2019a law implemented<\/a> in the United Kingdom. You could say that for both Benedict XVI and Rowan Williams, the Islamic thing was a non-starter because nobody wanted to hear what they had to say to keep the conversation going. People were interested on their position on Muslims, period.<\/p>\n<p>Take also sexuality. Benedict XVI is (in)famous for a 1986 letter he penned that regarded homosexual orientation as \u201c<a href=\"http:\/\/www.vatican.va\/roman_curia\/congregations\/cfaith\/documents\/rc_con_cfaith_doc_19861001_homosexual-persons_en.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">intrinsically disordered<\/a>,\u201d a point he reiterated in <a href=\"http:\/\/www.vatican.va\/roman_curia\/congregations\/cfaith\/documents\/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20030731_homosexual-unions_en.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">2003, <\/a>and most recently, in last year\u2019s <a href=\"http:\/\/www.vatican.va\/holy_father\/benedict_xvi\/speeches\/2012\/december\/documents\/hf_ben-xvi_spe_20121221_auguri-curia_en.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Christmas address to the Roman curia<\/a>. Meanwhile, he\u2019s been dogged by a <a href=\"http:\/\/www.vatican.va\/resources\/index_en.htm\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">sex abuse crisis <\/a>throughout the worldwide Catholic Church\u2013though he has embraced <a href=\"http:\/\/www.vatican.va\/resources\/resources_guide-CDF-procedures_en.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">a policy of zero tolerance<\/a> for clergy sexual abuse\u2013and in the wake of his resignation, there have been rumours of a \u201c<a href=\"http:\/\/en.radiovaticana.va\/Articolo.asp?c=667556\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">gay lobby<\/a>\u201d in the Vatican. In fact, Andrew Sullivan goes as far to suggest that <a href=\"http:\/\/dish.andrewsullivan.com\/2013\/02\/27\/two-popes-one-secretary\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">the pope and his secretary<\/a> might have a thing together. On the other hand, Rowan Williams toyed with the idea of <a href=\"http:\/\/www.abc.net.au\/religion\/articles\/2011\/08\/24\/3301238.htm\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">alternative sexualities as a gift of grace<\/a> in the 1980s, only to <a href=\"http:\/\/rowanwilliams.archbishopofcanterbury.org\/articles.php\/2370\/human-rights-and-religious-faith\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">oppose same-sex marriage<\/a> as Archbishop of Canterbury. Yet he has been trolled by both <a href=\"http:\/\/www.telegraph.co.uk\/news\/2193355\/Gafcon-Archbishop-of-Canterbury-Dr-Rowan-Williams-branded-a-historical-relic.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">conservatives<\/a> and <a href=\"http:\/\/www.telegraph.co.uk\/news\/religion\/2403713\/Gay-bishop-Gene-Robinson-criticises-Archbishop-of-Canterbury-Rowan-Williams.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">progressives<\/a> alike in the Anglican Communion for his centrist stances on sexuality. What\u2019s important to note, though, are that terms like \u201cintrinsically disordered\u201d and the \u201cbody\u2019s grace\u201d attempt to bring the conversation to the heart of human existence, whether one agrees with them or not. Moreover, both Benedict XVI and Rowan Williams attempted to do what <a href=\"http:\/\/monkshobbit.wordpress.com\/2009\/09\/17\/st-ignatius-of-loyola-rules-for-thinking-judging-and-feeling-with-the-church\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">St. Ignatius of Loyola<\/a> called \u201c<a href=\"http:\/\/ccgaction.org\/node\/1367\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">thinking with the Church<\/a>\u201d (a point that Ratzinger had stressed in his <a href=\"http:\/\/www.ignatius.com\/Products\/INCH2-P\/introduction-to-christianity-2nd-edition.aspx\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><i>Introduction to Christianity<\/i><\/a>), to be informed by what the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.anglicancommunion.org\/windsor2004\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Windsor Report<\/a> called the \u201c<a href=\"http:\/\/rowanwilliams.archbishopofcanterbury.org\/articles.php\/631\/the-archbishops-advent-letter-to-primates-2007\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">mind of the communion<\/a>,\u201d to listen closely to the Christian conversation about sexuality instead of making unilateral decisions from the top. But listening reflection is slow, and both have been criticized by progressives and conservatives in their respective communions for their slowness to act.<\/p>\n<p>Let\u2019s also look at what conversations both were willing to put up with. Once regarded as \u201c<a href=\"http:\/\/ncronline.org\/news\/vatican\/gods-rotteweiler-silenced-many-head-doctrinal-congregation\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">God\u2019s Rottweiler<\/a>\u201d for suppressing liberation theologies, Benedict XVI tried to <a href=\"http:\/\/www.catholicnews.com\/data\/stories\/cns\/0900355.htm\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">reconcile with the Society of St. Pius X<\/a>, an ultra-conservative group that rejected the reforms of the Second Vatican Council. It even harboured <a href=\"http:\/\/www.spiegel.de\/international\/germany\/response-from-the-pope-vatican-calls-on-bishop-to-recant-holocaust-denial-a-605530.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">a holocaust denier, Richard Williamson<\/a>, as a bishop, a little detail the Vatican didn\u2019t do any research on until too late. For his part, Rowan Williams <a href=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=CbjqyMa8TvA\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">has attempted<\/a> to come up with an <a href=\"http:\/\/www.anglicancommunion.org\/commission\/covenant\/final\/text.cfm\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Anglican Covenant<\/a>, a legislative piece that was roundly rejected by <a href=\"http:\/\/gafcon.org\/news\/oxford_statement_from_the_gafcon_fca_primates_council\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">conservatives<\/a> and <a href=\"http:\/\/noanglicancovenant.org\/index.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">progressives <\/a>for its proposal of a Standing Committee to which disputes could be brought. Lost in the fray was the core of the question that both Benedict XVI and Rowan Williams were asking. Their minds converged on the theology of \u201ccommunion,\u201d of continuing the conversation with a church fragmented by various political ideologies. The problem was, when their respective churches were ideologically splintered, people weren\u2019t interested in conversation, and the fact that Ratzinger and Williams were both academics opened them to criticism that they are all talk, no action. They were thus failures of leadership. Of course, if they had taken action, they\u2019d be called authoritarian.<\/p>\n<p>This blog resists the claim that conversations are too academic and that academic conversations are useless. Our claim is that when you talk about issues in religion and ethnicity, it\u2019s not done through hardline ideological posturing. It is much more like having a conversation over coffee\u2013an intensely caffeinated one, to be sure. Benedict XVI himself notes the challenge:<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"tr_bq\"><p>Often, as is also the case with other means of social communication, the significance and effectiveness of the various forms of expression appear to be determined more by their popularity than by their intrinsic importance and value. Popularity, for its part, is often linked to celebrity or to strategies of persuasion rather than to the logic of argumentation. At times the gentle voice of reason can be overwhelmed by the din of excessive information and it fails to attract attention which is given instead to those who express themselves in a more persuasive manner. The social media thus need the commitment of all who are conscious of the value of dialogue, reasoned debate and logical argumentation; of people who strive to cultivate forms of discourse and expression which appeal to the noblest aspirations of those engaged in the communication process. Dialogue and debate can also flourish and grow when we converse with and take seriously people whose ideas are different from our own.<br>\n\u2013<a href=\"http:\/\/www.vatican.va\/holy_father\/benedict_xvi\/messages\/communications\/documents\/hf_ben-xvi_mes_20130124_47th-world-communications-day_en.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Social Networks, portals of truth and faith; new spaces for evangelization (12 May 2013), 47th World Communications Day<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>As Benedict XVI suggested recently, this means that what the media has to say isn\u2019t just objective reporting but a part of the conversation that has to be held accountable, because, as was the case during the Second Vatican Council, the media didn\u2019t just report\u2013it had its own take on the council, a \u201c<a href=\"http:\/\/www.newliturgicalmovement.org\/2013\/02\/benedict-xvi-vatican-ii-as-i-saw-it.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">council of the media<\/a>\u201d of sorts. That\u2019s why you\u2019ll find here an almost schizophrenic collection of pieces on religion and ethnicity: it\u2019s because our claim is that the nuances of conversation are more creatively productive than the ideological posturing that\u2019s demanded of religious and ethnic leaders. Keep stalking, and don\u2019t be surprised when religion and ethnicity wire you like coffee too.<\/p>\n<div class=\"separator\" style=\"clear: both; text-align: center;\"><\/div>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\">\n<div style=\"text-align: center;\">Thank you for your love and support. May you always experience the joy that comes from putting Christ at the centre of your lives.<\/div>\n<p>\u2014 Benedict XVI (@Pontifex) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/Pontifex\/status\/307158221817274368\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">February 28, 2013<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>We are re-launching Religion Ethnicity Wired again today. That\u2019s right: the same day that the pope is abdicating. It\u2019s a perfect day to re-launch the conversation on religion and ethnicity. I trust folks like Fr. Robert Barron and Fr. 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