{"id":11675,"date":"2017-05-19T07:16:54","date_gmt":"2017-05-19T11:16:54","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/admin.patheos.com\/blogs\/eidos\/?p=11675"},"modified":"2017-05-19T10:36:43","modified_gmt":"2017-05-19T14:36:43","slug":"questions-m-stupid-disciples-stupid","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/eidos\/2017\/05\/questions-m-stupid-disciples-stupid\/","title":{"rendered":"Questions from M: Stupid Disciples! Why so stupid?"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/169\/2017\/05\/800px-Gethsemane_Carl_Bloch_opt.jpg\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-11677\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft size-full wp-image-11677\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/169\/2017\/05\/800px-Gethsemane_Carl_Bloch_opt.jpg\" alt=\"800px-Gethsemane_Carl_Bloch_opt\" width=\"400\" height=\"480\"><\/a>M is a interlocutor* who found me from Almighty Google and sent me fifty-five good questions. As the summer is here, I have decided to answer all of them I can . . . while holding myself to a few hundred words! Today M outdid himself:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<ol start=\"34\">\n<li>Jim Jones got hundreds of people to drink poison Kool-Aid, even though he did not perform any miracles. Jesus\u2019 disciples supposedly abandoned him before he was put to death, even though they had witnessed him perform dozens of miracles, and according to the New Testament, claim he was God. Why would the disciples abandon him after all those demonstrations of power?\u00a0 Would they not have thought\u2014\u201cso Pontius Pilate wants to crucify him? Big deal!\u201d<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>Anyone who reads the Gospels knows that the disciples can be annoyingly stupid. How often can one group look for a political messiah <a href=\"http:\/\/biblehub.com\/acts\/1-6.htm\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">before they get the point<\/a>? His Kingdom <a href=\"http:\/\/biblehub.com\/john\/18-36.htm\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">was not of this world!\u00a0<\/a>\u00a0Before answering the question, I do think the New Testament should be commended for having authors who make the future leaders of the church look like bad students so often.\u00a0If I were to pick one reason to think the Apostles were behind the Gospels, I would think the lack of \u201crespect\u201d that the Gospels show the Apostles is one of the best.<\/p>\n<p>First, for the sake of history, we should note that many people did not choose to commit suicide with Jones: they were <a href=\"https:\/\/www.theatlantic.com\/national\/archive\/2011\/11\/drinking-the-kool-aid-a-survivor-remembers-jim-jones\/248723\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">murdered.\u00a0<\/a>\u00a0Second, Jones isolated his followers. Jesus spoke in cities. Jones had his followers practice for apocalypse, Jesus rebuked followers who<a href=\"http:\/\/biblehub.com\/luke\/9-54.htm\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"> wanted to call down fire from Heaven<\/a>\u00a0on critics. Jones could get many brainwashed people to do what thoughtful people would not do: do evil so good could come. Jesus used dialectical techniques that often <a href=\"http:\/\/biblehub.com\/john\/6-56.htm\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">drove followers who did not want to think away!\u00a0<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Second, Jesus disciples were normal, thoughtful Jewish people. They probably did not fully grasp all Jesus was saying. They thought Jesus was the Messiah and at times were willing to say Jesus was the \u201cson of the Living God.\u201d What did that mean? There is no reason to think they had a complete theology to go with that idea. At least one of them became convinced that money was worth more than Jesus.<\/p>\n<p>When Jesus was arrested, at least one of his students used a sword to fight back, but Jesus stopped him. After this, most of the rest ran. What else could they do? One at least, John, followed Jesus all the way to the Cross. Many of Jesus\u2019 disciples were women and more than one followed their friend even to death. Many of Jesus\u2019 followers\u00a0<em>did<\/em> decide that He was who He said He was, even when it did not look likely given what they had seen and experienced.<\/p>\n<p>I have been in situations where friends betrayed friends. The traitors are rarely bad people, just decent folks put in hard situations. People do what they know to do. They act and then think. The disciples ran, but they also ended up together in Jerusalem. They were not heroes, but Jesus\u2019 refusal to fight with swords meant they had little to do!<\/p>\n<p>Getting crucified was something a Jew saw just by walking down the road. It was an unpleasant way to die and they had all seen it. Jesus was put on trial for His life and refused the one thing a follower thought he could do: fight. They huddled together and waited . . . which is more faith than I might have had. They had this reasonable truth<em> because of what they had seen and heard.\u00a0<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Don\u2019t forget their staying together when you hear they ran. Don\u2019t forget years of seeing dead Jews on crosses when you hear they ran. Don\u2019t forget that what you do in the moment may not be what your best self would do.\u00a0Jesus was so awesome in life that even in death His followers kept together and hoped . . . for what? They did not know. On the third day, they found out.<\/p>\n<p>\u2014\u2014\u2014\u2014\u2014\u2014\u2014\u2014\u2014-<\/p>\n<p>*M has asked that I not reveal his or her name. I will write as if \u201che\u201d is a male, but this is for convenience. Here are questions <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/eidos\/?p=11675&amp;preview=true\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">34<\/a>,\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/eidos\/?p=11656&amp;preview=true\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">35<\/a>,\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/eidos\/2017\/05\/questions-m-illiterate-disciples-written-gospels\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">\u00a037<\/a>\u00a0,\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/eidos\/2017\/05\/11646\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">54<\/a>\u00a0, and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/eidos\/2017\/05\/11646\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">55<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>M is a interlocutor* who found me from Almighty Google and sent me fifty-five good questions. As the summer is here, I have decided to answer all of them I can . . . while holding myself to a few hundred words! Today M outdid himself: Jim Jones got hundreds of people to drink poison [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1007,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[13],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-11675","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-apologetics"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v21.1 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>Questions from M: Stupid Disciples! Why so stupid?<\/title>\n<meta name=\"description\" content=\"M is a interlocutor* who found me from Almighty Google and sent me fifty-five good questions. 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