{"id":30,"date":"2013-09-28T21:58:00","date_gmt":"2013-09-28T20:58:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/admin.patheos.com\/blogs\/epiphenom\/2013\/09\/do-the-right-thing-and-hang-the-consequences.html"},"modified":"2014-11-11T21:12:02","modified_gmt":"2014-11-11T20:12:02","slug":"do-the-right-thing-and-hang-consequences","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/epiphenom\/2013\/09\/do-the-right-thing-and-hang-consequences.html","title":{"rendered":"Do the right thing and hang the consequences!"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p>Is it ever OK to break the rules? Are some values simply sacred, never to be abandoned? When faced with a moral dilemma, do you always hold fast or do you sometimes bend?<\/p>\n<p>We know from previous research that religious conservatives tend to favour moral absolutes. There are certain rules that must be adhered to, even if a clear justification seems hard to come by.<\/p>\n<p>One theory about why this is so is that the religious don\u2019t want to think to hard. It\u2019s just easier to say that rules is rules.<\/p>\n<p>But Jared Piazza (University of Pennsylvania) and Paulo Sousa (Queen\u2019s University Belfast, UK) suspected something else is happening. They think that religious people believe that consequences are unimportant \u2013 adhering to taboos and conventions <i><b>is<\/b><\/i>the objective, not optimising outcomes.<\/p>\n<p>To test this, they ran three online studies putting some hypothetical scenarios to adults \u2013 mostly in the US but in the third study they extended their sample to India.<\/p>\n<p>In the first study, they found that religious people were less likely to say that it is acceptable to break a promise if the result is to \u201cproduce greater good than bad\u201d. OK, but feasibly that could happen if religious people simply don\u2019t care much about what happens to other people.<\/p>\n<p>So then they rephrased their questions, asking if it\u2019s OK to break a rule if that means that the rule will be broken less in the future. For example, they asked if their subjects agreed that \u201cIf breaking the law will prevent even more law breaking, then it is morally permissible to break the law\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Still the religious subjects were less likely to approve of rule breaking. They were not \u2018consequentialist\u2019 thinkers.<\/p>\n<p>But even so, this may all be something to do with not wanting to cause or permit something bad to happen. So in the final study, they asked about moral transgressions with no consequences at all, either good or ill.<\/p>\n<p>They got their subjects to read a couple of scenarios \u2013 one depicting incest, and one depicting cannibalism. They asked them whether this was permissible or impermissible. If the subject said it was impermissible, then they went to extra lengths to explain to them that these were acts that don\u2019t cause any harm, injustice or negative consequences<\/p>\n<p>They found that the religiosity of their subjects was linked to the view that incest was impermissible, but not really to views about cannibalism. The political conservatism of their subjects, on the other hand, was linked to rejection of cannibalism but not of incest.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/epiphenom\/4.bp.blogspot.com\/-eMtCu08FJA8\/Ukc9iPpYmdI\/AAAAAAAABcw\/EcvTs2cB0Wg\/s1600\/Piazza_2013_Consequentialist_thinking.png\" style=\"clear: right;float: right;margin-bottom: 1em;margin-left: 1em\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" border=\"0\" height=\"235\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/epiphenom\/4.bp.blogspot.com\/-eMtCu08FJA8\/Ukc9iPpYmdI\/AAAAAAAABcw\/EcvTs2cB0Wg\/s1600\/Piazza_2013_Consequentialist_thinking.png\" title=\" \" width=\"400\"><\/a>They also tested all their subjects for their thinking style. Whether or not they were intuitive thinkers (going by instinctive, gut feeling) and whether or not they were consequentialist thinkers(using the same tests that they used earlier).<\/p>\n<p>They found that religiosity was linked to intuitive thinking and a disregard for consequences. Conservatism was also linked to disregard for consequences, but not to intuitive thinking.<\/p>\n<p>When they put all these data into their model (shown in the figure), what popped out was that the lack of interest in consequences, rather than intuitive thinking, was the best explanation for the rejection of incest by the religious and of canabalism by political conservatives.<\/p>\n<p>Interestingly, it didn\u2019t matter whether their subjects were American or Indian \u2013 they saw the same pattern.<\/p>\n<p>Piazza had previously shown that religious people are more likely to appeal to rules, rather than outcomes, when justifying their condemnation of wrongdoers. In this study, Piazza and Sousa say:<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"tr_bq\"><p>We have shown that both religious and conservative-minded individuals are reluctant to endorse the permissibility of various rule violations even when doing so optimizes the good (Study 1), prevents further wrongdoing (Study 2), or produces no negative consequences (Study 3).\u00a0<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>That\u2019s pretty powerfuls stuff. What\u2019s more, it seems to be particularly linked to religion, rather than political conservatism \u2013 even though the two overlap to quite a degree.<\/p>\n<p>So, after reading through all this, you\u2019re probably thinking that this is one in the eye for religion. After all, it seems pretty simple not to bend the rules in order to get better outcomes. But this is one of those areas where it all depends on which lens you use to view the world \u2013 as the study that I\u2019ll talk about in my next post will show!<\/p>\n<hr>\n<p><span style=\"float: right;padding: 5px\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.researchblogging.org\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"ResearchBlogging.org\" src=\"https:\/\/www.researchblogging.org\/public\/citation_icons\/rb2_large_gray.png\" style=\"border: 0\"><\/a><\/span><br><span class=\"Z3988\" title=\"ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&amp;rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Ajournal&amp;rft.jtitle=Social+Psychological+and+Personality+Science&amp;rft_id=info%3Adoi%2F10.1177%2F1948550613492826&amp;rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fresearchblogging.org&amp;rft.atitle=Religiosity%2C+Political+Orientation%2C+and+Consequentialist+Moral+Thinking&amp;rft.issn=&amp;rft.date=2013&amp;rft.volume=&amp;rft.issue=&amp;rft.spage=&amp;rft.epage=&amp;rft.artnum=&amp;rft.au=Jared+Piazza&amp;rft.au=Paulo+Sousa&amp;rfe_dat=bpr3.included=1;bpr3.tags=Psychology%2CDecision-Making%2C+Religion\">Jared Piazza, &amp; Paulo Sousa (2013). Religiosity, Political Orientation, and Consequentialist Moral Thinking <span style=\"font-style: italic\">Social Psychological and Personality Science<\/span> DOI: <a href=\"http:\/\/dx.doi.org\/10.1177\/1948550613492826\" rev=\"review\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">10.1177\/1948550613492826<\/a><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"float: left\"><a href=\"http:\/\/creativecommons.org\/licenses\/by-sa\/2.0\/uk\/\" rel=\"nofollow\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Creative Commons License\" src=\"https:\/\/i.creativecommons.org\/l\/by-sa\/2.0\/uk\/88x31.png\" style=\"border-width: 0pt\"><\/a><\/span> This article by <b>Tom Rees<\/b> was first published on <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/epiphenom\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">Epiphenom<\/a>.  It is licensed under <a href=\"http:\/\/creativecommons.org\/licenses\/by-sa\/2.0\/uk\/\" rel=\"nofollow\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">Creative Commons<\/a>.<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Is it ever OK to break the rules? Are some values simply sacred, never to be abandoned? When faced with a moral dilemma, do you always hold fast or do you sometimes bend? We know from previous research that religious conservatives tend to favour moral absolutes. There are certain rules that must be adhered to, [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2091,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-30","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v21.1 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>Do the right thing and hang the consequences!<\/title>\n<meta name=\"description\" content=\"Is it ever OK to break the rules? Are some values simply sacred, never to be abandoned? When faced with a moral dilemma, do you always hold fast or do you\" \/>\n<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"index, follow, max-snippet:-1, max-image-preview:large, max-video-preview:-1\" \/>\n<link rel=\"canonical\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/epiphenom\/2013\/09\/do-the-right-thing-and-hang-consequences.html\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:locale\" content=\"en_US\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:type\" content=\"article\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:title\" content=\"Do the right thing and hang the consequences!\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:description\" content=\"Is it ever OK to break the rules? Are some values simply sacred, never to be abandoned? When faced with a moral dilemma, do you always hold fast or do you\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:url\" content=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/epiphenom\/2013\/09\/do-the-right-thing-and-hang-consequences.html\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:site_name\" content=\"Epiphenom\" \/>\n<meta property=\"article:published_time\" content=\"2013-09-28T20:58:00+00:00\" \/>\n<meta property=\"article:modified_time\" content=\"2014-11-11T20:12:02+00:00\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:image\" content=\"http:\/\/wp.production.patheos.com\/blogs\/epiphenom\/4.bp.blogspot.com\/-eMtCu08FJA8\/Ukc9iPpYmdI\/AAAAAAAABcw\/EcvTs2cB0Wg\/s1600\/Piazza_2013_Consequentialist_thinking.png\" \/>\n<meta name=\"author\" content=\"Epiphenom\" \/>\n<meta name=\"twitter:card\" content=\"summary_large_image\" \/>\n<meta name=\"twitter:label1\" content=\"Written by\" \/>\n\t<meta name=\"twitter:data1\" content=\"Epiphenom\" \/>\n\t<meta name=\"twitter:label2\" content=\"Est. reading time\" \/>\n\t<meta name=\"twitter:data2\" content=\"4 minutes\" \/>\n<script type=\"application\/ld+json\" class=\"yoast-schema-graph\">{\"@context\":\"https:\/\/schema.org\",\"@graph\":[{\"@type\":\"WebPage\",\"@id\":\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/epiphenom\/2013\/09\/do-the-right-thing-and-hang-consequences.html\",\"url\":\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/epiphenom\/2013\/09\/do-the-right-thing-and-hang-consequences.html\",\"name\":\"Do the right thing and hang the consequences!\",\"isPartOf\":{\"@id\":\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/epiphenom\/#website\"},\"datePublished\":\"2013-09-28T20:58:00+00:00\",\"dateModified\":\"2014-11-11T20:12:02+00:00\",\"author\":{\"@id\":\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/epiphenom\/#\/schema\/person\/98b4bf21daa886d9eb1d5f0e99643ad1\"},\"description\":\"Is it ever OK to break the rules? Are some values simply sacred, never to be abandoned? When faced with a moral dilemma, do you always hold fast or do you\",\"breadcrumb\":{\"@id\":\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/epiphenom\/2013\/09\/do-the-right-thing-and-hang-consequences.html#breadcrumb\"},\"inLanguage\":\"en-US\",\"potentialAction\":[{\"@type\":\"ReadAction\",\"target\":[\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/epiphenom\/2013\/09\/do-the-right-thing-and-hang-consequences.html\"]}]},{\"@type\":\"BreadcrumbList\",\"@id\":\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/epiphenom\/2013\/09\/do-the-right-thing-and-hang-consequences.html#breadcrumb\",\"itemListElement\":[{\"@type\":\"ListItem\",\"position\":1,\"name\":\"Home\",\"item\":\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/epiphenom\"},{\"@type\":\"ListItem\",\"position\":2,\"name\":\"Do the right thing and hang the consequences!\"}]},{\"@type\":\"WebSite\",\"@id\":\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/epiphenom\/#website\",\"url\":\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/epiphenom\/\",\"name\":\"Epiphenom\",\"description\":\"The science of religion and non-belief\",\"potentialAction\":[{\"@type\":\"SearchAction\",\"target\":{\"@type\":\"EntryPoint\",\"urlTemplate\":\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/epiphenom\/?s={search_term_string}\"},\"query-input\":\"required name=search_term_string\"}],\"inLanguage\":\"en-US\"},{\"@type\":\"Person\",\"@id\":\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/epiphenom\/#\/schema\/person\/98b4bf21daa886d9eb1d5f0e99643ad1\",\"name\":\"Epiphenom\",\"image\":{\"@type\":\"ImageObject\",\"inLanguage\":\"en-US\",\"@id\":\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/epiphenom\/#\/schema\/person\/image\/\",\"url\":\"https:\/\/secure.gravatar.com\/avatar\/a9abb71dca9f11ec59b77b1fffa487fa?s=96&d=mm&r=g\",\"contentUrl\":\"https:\/\/secure.gravatar.com\/avatar\/a9abb71dca9f11ec59b77b1fffa487fa?s=96&d=mm&r=g\",\"caption\":\"Epiphenom\"},\"url\":\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/epiphenom\/author\/trees\"}]}<\/script>\n<!-- \/ Yoast SEO plugin. -->","yoast_head_json":{"title":"Do the right thing and hang the consequences!","description":"Is it ever OK to break the rules? Are some values simply sacred, never to be abandoned? When faced with a moral dilemma, do you always hold fast or do you","robots":{"index":"index","follow":"follow","max-snippet":"max-snippet:-1","max-image-preview":"max-image-preview:large","max-video-preview":"max-video-preview:-1"},"canonical":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/epiphenom\/2013\/09\/do-the-right-thing-and-hang-consequences.html","og_locale":"en_US","og_type":"article","og_title":"Do the right thing and hang the consequences!","og_description":"Is it ever OK to break the rules? Are some values simply sacred, never to be abandoned? When faced with a moral dilemma, do you always hold fast or do you","og_url":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/epiphenom\/2013\/09\/do-the-right-thing-and-hang-consequences.html","og_site_name":"Epiphenom","article_published_time":"2013-09-28T20:58:00+00:00","article_modified_time":"2014-11-11T20:12:02+00:00","og_image":[{"url":"http:\/\/wp.production.patheos.com\/blogs\/epiphenom\/4.bp.blogspot.com\/-eMtCu08FJA8\/Ukc9iPpYmdI\/AAAAAAAABcw\/EcvTs2cB0Wg\/s1600\/Piazza_2013_Consequentialist_thinking.png"}],"author":"Epiphenom","twitter_card":"summary_large_image","twitter_misc":{"Written by":"Epiphenom","Est. reading time":"4 minutes"},"schema":{"@context":"https:\/\/schema.org","@graph":[{"@type":"WebPage","@id":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/epiphenom\/2013\/09\/do-the-right-thing-and-hang-consequences.html","url":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/epiphenom\/2013\/09\/do-the-right-thing-and-hang-consequences.html","name":"Do the right thing and hang the consequences!","isPartOf":{"@id":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/epiphenom\/#website"},"datePublished":"2013-09-28T20:58:00+00:00","dateModified":"2014-11-11T20:12:02+00:00","author":{"@id":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/epiphenom\/#\/schema\/person\/98b4bf21daa886d9eb1d5f0e99643ad1"},"description":"Is it ever OK to break the rules? Are some values simply sacred, never to be abandoned? When faced with a moral dilemma, do you always hold fast or do you","breadcrumb":{"@id":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/epiphenom\/2013\/09\/do-the-right-thing-and-hang-consequences.html#breadcrumb"},"inLanguage":"en-US","potentialAction":[{"@type":"ReadAction","target":["https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/epiphenom\/2013\/09\/do-the-right-thing-and-hang-consequences.html"]}]},{"@type":"BreadcrumbList","@id":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/epiphenom\/2013\/09\/do-the-right-thing-and-hang-consequences.html#breadcrumb","itemListElement":[{"@type":"ListItem","position":1,"name":"Home","item":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/epiphenom"},{"@type":"ListItem","position":2,"name":"Do the right thing and hang the consequences!"}]},{"@type":"WebSite","@id":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/epiphenom\/#website","url":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/epiphenom\/","name":"Epiphenom","description":"The science of religion and non-belief","potentialAction":[{"@type":"SearchAction","target":{"@type":"EntryPoint","urlTemplate":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/epiphenom\/?s={search_term_string}"},"query-input":"required name=search_term_string"}],"inLanguage":"en-US"},{"@type":"Person","@id":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/epiphenom\/#\/schema\/person\/98b4bf21daa886d9eb1d5f0e99643ad1","name":"Epiphenom","image":{"@type":"ImageObject","inLanguage":"en-US","@id":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/epiphenom\/#\/schema\/person\/image\/","url":"https:\/\/secure.gravatar.com\/avatar\/a9abb71dca9f11ec59b77b1fffa487fa?s=96&d=mm&r=g","contentUrl":"https:\/\/secure.gravatar.com\/avatar\/a9abb71dca9f11ec59b77b1fffa487fa?s=96&d=mm&r=g","caption":"Epiphenom"},"url":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/epiphenom\/author\/trees"}]}},"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/epiphenom\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/30","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/epiphenom\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/epiphenom\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/epiphenom\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2091"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/epiphenom\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=30"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/epiphenom\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/30\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/epiphenom\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=30"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/epiphenom\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=30"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/epiphenom\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=30"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}