{"id":456,"date":"2009-02-02T22:28:00","date_gmt":"2009-02-02T22:28:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/admin.patheos.com\/blogs\/epiphenom\/2009\/02\/manipulative-cynical-nonsense.html"},"modified":"2009-02-02T22:28:00","modified_gmt":"2009-02-02T22:28:00","slug":"manipulative-cynical-nonsense","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/epiphenom\/2009\/02\/manipulative-cynical-nonsense.html","title":{"rendered":"Manipulative, cynical nonsense"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p>I\u2019d like to offer an alternative analysis of the Theos survey on British attitudes to evolution.  (The following is copied from my personal blog, and the style reflects this.)<\/p>\n<p>Last year Christian think-tank Theos argued that because most of us know the Easter story, therefore <a href=\"http:\/\/bob.seldo.com\/?p=400\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">most of us literally believe in the Easter story<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>From the same people who brought you this unfathomably crap interpretation of their own, agenda-ridden research, now comes a sparkly new survey on the public attitude to evolution.<\/p>\n<p>Or so say rubbish science journalists who didn\u2019t even bother to look at the research, blindly trotting out their own version of the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.theosthinktank.co.uk\/Half_of_Britons_sceptical_about_evolution_.aspx?ArticleID=2836&amp;PageID=14&amp;RefPageID=14\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Theos press release<\/a> all round the internet today.  (You\u2019d think science journalists would be the one kind of journalist <i>most<\/i> likely to do their fucking job and go and look at the so-called science, but no.)<\/p>\n<p>The research never actually asked people a fair, balanced question about their belief in evolution, defined simply as a process of natural selection.  Oh no.  Do you want to know what it actually asked them?<\/p>\n<p>What <a href=\"http:\/\/campaigndirector.moodia.com\/Client\/Theos\/Files\/DarwinTables1.pdf\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">the actual survey<\/a> actually asked about evolution was two separate questions, one on \u201ctheistic evolution\u201d and one on \u201catheistic evolution\u201d.  The latter definition and question read:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>Atheistic evolution is the idea that evolution makes belief in God unnecessary and absurd.  In your opinion is Atheistic evolution: [and then the choices]<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>Just confusing the two separate issues of a\/theism and evolution was obviously going to result in weird answers from the start, especially since they don\u2019t even bother to spell out simply what the actual theory of natural selection says or associate it with either view.<\/p>\n<p>Moreover, when people were being asked to assent to \u201catheistic evolution\u201d they weren\u2019t just being asked to assent to evolution-minus-God, they were being asked to assent to the view that evolution <i>necessarily implies <\/i>that there was no God.<\/p>\n<p>Now, I think that evolution is true <i>and <\/i>I think that belief in God is unnecessary and absurd, but I still might well have said that \u201cAtheistic evolution\u201d as defined in this survey was probably not true, because I don\u2019t think that one does necessitate the other.  <a href=\"http:\/\/lifebeforedeath.blogsome.com\/2009\/02\/02\/more-stupid-science-journalism\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Evolution has nothing to say about the origin of the world<\/a>, for example.<\/p>\n<p>Answering this survey, I might well have been waiting for a third, good, neutral statement of evolution before I plumped for it.<\/p>\n<p>Worse still is the interpretation which Theos then puts on this already flawed data.  Having found probably even lower levels of general assent to the theory of evolution than we should want and expect \u2013 and would get if we asked better questions \u2013 they go on to conclude (in their press release) that the hopeless confusion we\u2019re all is the fault of atheists:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>Unfortunately, he [Darwin] is being used by certain atheists today to promote their cause. The result is that, given the false choice of evolution or God, people are rejecting evolution.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cDarwin has become caught up in the crossfire between creationists on one side and certain public atheists on the other. It\u2019s a battle in which everybody suffers.\u201d<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>That\u2019s right.  Who\u2019s to blame for Creationism and ID?  Is it the proponents of Creationism and ID?  No.  It\u2019s atheists!  And why should we blame the atheists, Theos?  Well, because they conflate Darwinism and atheism giving people a false choice between the two, says Theos<i>.<\/i> Oh, right, I get it, exactly like your survey cleverly demonstrates by doing exactly that?  Um, yes, yes that\u2019s what we, um, intended, says Theos.<\/p>\n<p>Of course, there <i>are <\/i>a whole bunch of reasons why Darwinian evolution is associated with atheism.  This isn\u2019t a story about evolution getting \u201ccaught in the crossfire\u201d between warring fundamentalist theists on one hand and marauding atheists on the other, as if Richard Dawkins (doubtless the intended ring-leader of the \u201cpublic atheists\u201d mentioned) has single-handedly <i>warped<\/i> a theory which was otherwise neutral with regard to God.  The reason evolution is associated with atheism is because prior to Darwin the church said quite emphatically that God created the Earth and all living things in seven days.  During the bronze age!  Religion got caught with its panda\u2019s thumb up its giant red arse on this issue, forcing them ever since to either dig in and become full blown fundamentalists, or to pass off centuries of previous heretic-burning as a crazy, mistaken, drunken game, because they didn\u2019t really <i>literall<\/i>y believe in Genesis, no, no, it was an allegory all along.  For something.<\/p>\n<p>The dawn of evolutionary theory is the great naturalizing moment of the last two centuries.  It completely reversed the way we had to think when trying to explain the construction of living forms.  It blew away the need for design, and a designer, previously the greatest single argument for the existence of God, with an idea of simple beauty and devastating cogency.  Atheists didn\u2019t manufacture a wargame here \u2013 if anything it was the vicious response of religionists in Darwin\u2019s own time which show exactly why so many people regard evolution as literally bringing the riddle of life back \u201cdown to earth\u201d.<\/p>\n<p>But none of this means that when you ask people about evolution you should imply that they have a choice between \u201ctheistic evolution\u201d and \u201catheistic evolution\u201d.  That\u2019s just bollocks.<\/p>\n<p>Theos is basically attempting to do exactly what it pretends not to be doing.  They are accepting that it\u2019s not okay to be a biblical literalist, but also trying to blame anyone who expresses both atheism and evolution for other people\u2019s confusion and ignorance, thereby leaving \u201ctheistic evolution\u201d as the only option on the table.<\/p>\n<p>Well, no, damn it!  We must be free to express the fact that evolution leads us to thinking about life in a naturalistic way, without being branded some kind of intellectual warmongers.  Being free to say that evolution is part of our atheism is like saying that Galileon cosmology leads us to thinking less anthropocentrically about the nature of the universe; and like saying that Newton leads us to think that maybe there is a coherent underlying structure to the universe, which is not interfered with by capricious deities.<\/p>\n<p>Theos point the finger.  But they are the ones shamelessly playing games with science. <\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I\u2019d like to offer an alternative analysis of the Theos survey on British attitudes to evolution. (The following is copied from my personal blog, and the style reflects this.) 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