{"id":484,"date":"2008-12-15T20:07:00","date_gmt":"2008-12-15T20:07:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/admin.patheos.com\/blogs\/epiphenom\/2008\/12\/god-or-science-but-not-both.html"},"modified":"2008-12-15T20:07:00","modified_gmt":"2008-12-15T20:07:00","slug":"god-or-science-but-not-both","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/epiphenom\/2008\/12\/god-or-science-but-not-both.html","title":{"rendered":"God or science &#8211; but not both!"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p>So, one Big Question that remains after the <a href=\"http:\/\/bhascience.blogspot.com\/2008\/12\/god-damned-nanotechnology.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">recent research<\/a> on attitudes to nanotechnology is whether this is a general effect \u2013 is there any fundamental obstacle to people holding scientific and religious ideas at one and the same time? Does religion really displace science, and vice versa? Data published today suggest that it does.<\/p>\n<p>This research is about framing \u2013 about how setting up people\u2019s preconceptions can affect the way they think. What the researchers (<a href=\"http:\/\/preston.socialpsychology.org\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Jess Preston<\/a> of the University of Illinois and <a href=\"http:\/\/epley.socialpsychology.org\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Nicholas Epley<\/a> of the University of Chicago) did was to get people (OK, students) thinking about \u2018explanations\u2019 in specific ways. They did two experiments.<\/p>\n<p>In the first, they gave their subjects brief passages talking about a couple of \u2018big ideas\u2019 in science \u2013 namely the Big Bang theory about the origins of the universe and the Primordial Soup hypothesis about the origins of life. But there were two versions \u2013 one weak and one strong. As they put it:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>In the Strong Explanation condition, each passage concluded with a statement that \u2018\u2018this was the best scientific theory on the subject to date, and does much to account for the known data and observations.\u201d In the Weak Explanation condition, each passage concluded with a statement that \u2018\u2018this was the best scientific theory on the subject to date, but it does not account for the other data and observations very well, and raises more questions than it answers.\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Then they did a priming experiment, in which they tested how fast their subjects reacted to positive and negative words after being subliminally primed with either the word \u2018God\u2019 or the word \u2018Science\u2019.<\/p>\n<p>In the second study, the passages used to frame the subjects were related to god:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Participants in the explanation condition were instructed to: \u2018\u2018list SIX things that you think God can explain.\u201d Participants in the control condition were given the instructions: \u2018\u2018list SIX things that you think can explain or influence God.\u201d Existing research demonstrates that this manipulation can influence the subjective value of religious beliefs, with those using God to explain other events reporting that religion is significantly more meaningful and important to them than those identifying events that could explain God\u2019s actions.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Then these subjects did the same priming experiment as the first batch.<\/p>\n<p>So here\u2019s the bottom line: if you are put in a frame of mind that says scientific explanations are dodgy or uncertain, or if you are put in a frame of mind that says \u2018God\u2019 is a good explanation, then your subliminal, automatic response to \u2018God\u2019 is made more positive and your response to \u2018Science\u2019 is made more negative. And the reverse happens for the opposite framing.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: bold\">In other words, positive feelings towards scientific explanations or religious explanations really do seem to be flip sides of the same coin. As one goes up, the other goes down.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>The implications of this are really important. What they suggest is that if you put people in an environment in which \u2018God\u2019 is presented as a reliable and useful way to understand the world, then that will turn them off scientific explanations. Not consciously after a period of reasoned deliberation, but their subconscious, gut feelings. Similarly, if you emphasise the uncertainties in scientific explanations, you will bolster positive attitudes to religion. Science and religion really are fundamentally incompatible.<\/p>\n<p>This is a great article for many reasons, not least of which is the introduction on \u2018Explanation and Belief\u2019, which is a wonderfully lucid (and short!) review of just why scientific and religious beliefs are in opposition. The PDF is available <a href=\"http:\/\/faculty.chicagogsb.edu\/nicholas.epley\/Preston&amp;EpleyJESP.pdf\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">here<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>Oh, and, as a postscript: Epley was the guy <a href=\"http:\/\/bhascience.blogspot.com\/2008\/02\/youve-got-friend-in-jesus.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">who previously showed<\/a> how loneliness can make you think religiously.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"padding: 5px\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.researchblogging.org\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"ResearchBlogging.org\" src=\"https:\/\/www.researchblogging.org\/public\/citation_icons\/rb2_large_gray.png\" style=\"border: 0pt none\"><\/a><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span class=\"Z3988\" title=\"ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&amp;rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Ajournal&amp;rft.jtitle=Journal+of+Experimental+Social+Psychology&amp;rft_id=info%3Adoi%2F10.1016%2Fj.jesp.2008.07.013&amp;rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fresearchblogging.org&amp;rft.atitle=Science+and+God%3A+An+automatic+opposition+between+ultimate+explanations&amp;rft.issn=00221031&amp;rft.date=2009&amp;rft.volume=45&amp;rft.issue=1&amp;rft.spage=238&amp;rft.epage=241&amp;rft.artnum=http%3A%2F%2Flinkinghub.elsevier.com%2Fretrieve%2Fpii%2FS0022103108001212&amp;rft.au=J+PRESTON&amp;rft.au=N+EPLEY&amp;rfe_dat=bpr3.included=1;bpr3.tags=Psychology%2CReligion\">J PRESTON, N EPLEY (2009). Science and God: An automatic opposition between ultimate explanations <span style=\"font-style: italic\">Journal of Experimental Social Psychology, 45<\/span> (1), 238-241 DOI: <a rev=\"review\" href=\"http:\/\/dx.doi.org\/10.1016\/j.jesp.2008.07.013\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">10.1016\/j.jesp.2008.07.013<\/a><\/span><\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>So, one Big Question that remains after the recent research on attitudes to nanotechnology is whether this is a general effect \u2013 is there any fundamental obstacle to people holding scientific and religious ideas at one and the same time? Does religion really displace science, and vice versa? Data published today suggest that it does. 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