{"id":508,"date":"2008-10-20T22:30:00","date_gmt":"2008-10-20T21:30:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/admin.patheos.com\/blogs\/epiphenom\/2008\/10\/dualism-in-the-news.html"},"modified":"2014-11-13T23:07:11","modified_gmt":"2014-11-13T22:07:11","slug":"dualism-in-news","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/epiphenom\/2008\/10\/dualism-in-news.html","title":{"rendered":"Dualism in the news"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p>That old chestnut of mind-body dualism \u2013 the freaky idea that our minds can somehow continue to exist after our brain has been destroyed \u2013 has been cropping up a bit recently in the media. Here\u2019s a snapshot.<br><a href=\"http:\/\/www.sciam.com\/article.cfm?id=never-say-die\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><br><span style=\"font-size:130%\"><span style=\"font-weight: bold\">Never say die: why we can\u2019t imagine death<\/span><\/span><\/a><\/p>\n<p>First up is a great article in Scientific American by Jesse Bering, currently at the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.qub.ac.uk\/schools\/InstituteofCognitionCulture\/Staff\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Institute of Cognition and Culture<\/a> at Queens University, Belfast. Bering\u2019s article covers some of the recent research by him and others that\u2019s starting to show that we\u2019ve got a built-in predisposition to be dualist \u2013 we just can\u2019t help ourselves. That\u2019s not just the religious and believers in the supernatural \u2013 under clever questioning, many atheists also reveal that they succumb to the same kind of illusions.<\/p>\n<p>The evidence shows that children are born as natural dualists, and learn to shake off dualist thinking as they get older. But culture \u2013 particularly religious environments \u2013 can stunt that development:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>In support of the idea that culture influences our natural tendency to deny the death of the mind, Harvard University psychologist Paul Harris and researcher Marta Gim\u00e9nez of the National University of Distance Education in Spain showed that when the wording in interviews is tweaked to include medical or scientific terms, psychological-continuity reasoning decreases. In this 2005 study published in the Journal of Cognition and Culture, seven- to 11-year-old children in Madrid who heard a story about a priest telling a child that his grandmother \u201cis with God\u201d were more likely to attribute ongoing mental states to the decedent than were those who heard the identical story but instead about a doctor saying a grandfather was \u201cdead and buried.\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>So why do we have this built dualism? Bering is a leading exponent of what he calls the \u201csimulation-constraint\u201d hypothesis \u2013 the idea that we simply can\u2019t wrap our heads round the idea of non-consciousness because, by definition, it\u2019s something that we can never experience. Piled up on this is the idea of \u2018person permanence\u2019, the intuition we all have that people continue to exist even when we can\u2019t see them (when they leave the room, for example). He goes into much more depth on this in his 2006 paper <a href=\"http:\/\/www.qub.ac.uk\/schools\/InstituteofCognitionCulture\/FileUploadPage\/Filetoupload,90226,en.pdf\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">The folk psychology of souls<\/a>.<br><span style=\"font-size:130%\"><a style=\"font-weight: bold\" href=\"http:\/\/www.boston.com\/news\/local\/articles\/2008\/10\/18\/the_soul_it_may_all_be_in_your_mind\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><br>The soul? It may all be in your mind<\/a><\/span><\/p>\n<p>Next up is an interview with <a href=\"http:\/\/www.yale.edu\/psychology\/FacInfo\/Bloom.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">Paul Bloom<\/a>, a psychologist from Yale University and the author of a widely-cited article in Atlantic Monthly back in 2005, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.theatlantic.com\/doc\/200512\/god-accident\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Is God an Accident<\/a>?<\/p>\n<p>Bloom points out some of the evidence against dualism:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Q.  <span style=\"font-style: italic\">We know this from brain scans that look at parts of the brain lighting up in response to different [stimuli] \u2013 you can watch people think about a topic and watch parts of their brain light up?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: bold\">A.<\/span> That\u2019s the most modern demonstration. But the idea that thought is the result of the physical brain comes from work that\u2019s hundreds of years old. We\u2019ve known that a blow to the head can affect your memory, your willpower, your conscience, your sense of right and wrong. We know that Alzheimer\u2019s, strokes, and diseases of the brain can profoundly affect your mental life. It\u2019s a tenuous view to say that the part of me that chooses right from wrong has no physical basis. If that were true, you wouldn\u2019t expect getting smashed on the head, alcohol, or heroin to affect your will and your knowledge of right and wrong.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>But he goes on to make an overture of peace to the religiously minded:<br><b><\/b><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><b>Q. <\/b> <em>What are the implications of this dualism, and its limitations, for religion? Obviously, you\u2019re not suggesting theologians hold a going-out-of-business sale.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: bold\">A. <\/span>In fact, some theologians respond to this research with delight. According to many theological views, we have an inborn appreciation of God and souls. This is part of God\u2019s gift to us. There\u2019s nothing in my work that in any way should trouble anybody who\u2019s theologically inclined. Though often, they say a belief in a single God is natural, and that\u2019s probably wrong. Many more cultures believe in multiple gods.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>This is a common argument among the scientifically literate religious, of course. The problem is that, as psychologists like Bering are increasingly showing, our dualism is not a design feature, but more of a design flaw \u2013 a by product of cognitive systems evolved for other purposes.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size:130%\"><a style=\"font-weight: bold\" href=\"http:\/\/sciencereligionnews.blogspot.com\/2008\/10\/taking-care-of-dualism.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">COGNITIVE SCIENCE: Arguing for Embodied Consciousness<\/a><\/span><\/p>\n<p>This last one is via <a href=\"http:\/\/sciencereligionnews.blogspot.com\/2008\/10\/taking-care-of-dualism.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Science and Religion News<\/a>, and is a review of a new book by Edward Slingerland, who made some <a href=\"http:\/\/bhascience.blogspot.com\/2007\/11\/can-morality-be-scientific-news-from.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">controversial statements last year<\/a> about whether morality can be scientific. But Slingerland is a convinced materialist. Science and Religion News has more on the book review, but here\u2019s a key excerpt.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Slingerland starts with Darwin and eventually follows Daniel Dennett so far as to agree that consciousness can be done full justice through third-person descriptions that require no mysterious, unaccounted-for, nonmaterial, first-person entity as substrate. Thus the famous \u201cMary,\u201d who intellectually knows everything there is to know about color despite having been sequestered for life in a color-free lab, will recognize red the first time she steps outside (<a href=\"http:\/\/www.sciencemag.org\/cgi\/content\/full\/322\/5899\/195#ref4\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">4<\/a>). And Thomas Nagel\u2019s famous bats don\u2019t know anything about bathood that we can\u2019t figure out for ourselves from observation (<a href=\"http:\/\/www.sciencemag.org\/cgi\/content\/full\/322\/5899\/195#ref5\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">5<\/a>). No first-person construct, no locus of consciousness, need be invoked.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>That old chestnut of mind-body dualism \u2013 the freaky idea that our minds can somehow continue to exist after our brain has been destroyed \u2013 has been cropping up a bit recently in the media. 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