{"id":16525,"date":"2020-11-01T05:18:21","date_gmt":"2020-11-01T09:18:21","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/admin.patheos.com\/blogs\/euangelion\/?p=16525"},"modified":"2020-10-15T18:25:50","modified_gmt":"2020-10-15T22:25:50","slug":"interview-with-dan-gurtner-about-the-pseudepigrapha","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/euangelion\/2020\/11\/interview-with-dan-gurtner-about-the-pseudepigrapha\/","title":{"rendered":"Interview with Dan Gurtner about the Pseudepigrapha"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p>Here is my interview with Dan Gurtner about the pseudepigrapha and how you can know more about it with the help of his book\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/bakerpublishinggroup.com\/books\/introducing-the-pseudepigrapha-of-second-temple-judaism\/352280\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><em>Introducing the Pseudepigrapha of Second Temple Judaism<\/em><\/a>.<\/p>\n<p><strong>When a student asks, \u201cWhat is the pseudepigrapha?\u201d What do you say?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>First, I congratulate them if they pronounce the word correctly! It\u2019s not a very common word, and it is frequently both mispronounced and misunderstood. Generally, these are writings that celebrate some figure from Israel\u2019s past. I say \u201cgenerally\u201d because by no means accounts for them. Technically, the term \u201cpseudepigrapha\u201d refers to writings that claim to be written by one person but are in fact written by another. This too only partly accounts for the facts, and also casts an unnecessarily pejorative light on the texts. So, how does one determine whether something is a \u201cpseudepigrapha\u201d? That\u2019s complicated. Typically these writings are not classified by what they <em>are<\/em>, but what they <em>are<\/em> <em>not<\/em>. They are <em>not<\/em> generally found in the Greek writings in the major codices which do not have corresponding Hebrew Bible texts (i.e., the \u201cApocrypha\u201d), <em>nor<\/em> are they among the Dead Sea Scrolls, Philo, Josephus, or the rabbis. But here again there are exceptions to these rules. Perhaps returning to my general comment above, they may utilize the narrative significance of figures such as Abraham from the Hebrew Bible, and recast his life and experience into a new setting, as one finds in the Apocalypse of Abraham. In this way Abraham, as well as other figures like Moses, Job, Enoch, Baruch, etc., are pressed into service in a new setting by Jews who recognized the significance of these figures and utilized their respective prominence to relate their own message(s) based on something from that figure\u2019s past.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Are the pseudepigrapha Jewish or Christian writings? <\/strong><\/p>\n<p>The ones I examine in my book are Jewish and date prior to the Bar Kochba revolt (ca. 135 CE). There are many that are Jewish but date later, others that are Christian, and still others that are Jewish in origin but in the course of their transmission by Christians essentially become Christian texts or in some way render the Jewish original inaccessible. Among the fundamental problems in studying these writings for those not deeply familiar with the scholarly discourse is discerning which writings belong to which contexts.<\/p>\n<p><strong>What is your best example of the relevance of the Pseudepigrapha for understanding something in the OT and NT? <\/strong><\/p>\n<p>At the outset I want to clarify that while my book is intended to be useful for interpreters of Old and New Testament texts, it is primarily about the Pseudepigrapha themselves. That is, I did not write it so that one can understand the New Testament better <em>by use of the Pseudepigrapha<\/em>, but so that the Pseudepigrapha can be better understood in their own contexts. In my view, this is prolegomena to any secondary usage of this material, whether for Old Testament, New Testament, rabbinic Judaism, or some other context.<\/p>\n<p>For Old Testament this is rather difficult since, like the DSS, all the Pseudepigrapha from Second Temple Judaism are written <em>after <\/em>the Old Testament. So, like the DSS, the Pseudepigrapha often help us find textual traditions of the OT for reconstructions of various texts, and also help us to see how the OT was interpreted by Jews subsequent to the composition of OT texts. In the latter there are many instances, but the Book of Jubilees illustrates the phenomenon, since its task of \u201crewriting\u201d biblical accounts that has most intrigued scholars. In general, the author\u2019s interpretive methodology is unlike other methods, such as midrash or pesher, in that here the author quotes his source, but not to set it off as distinct from his own contribution; these are melded into a new text entirely, all placed within the new setting of Moses at Sinai (Jub. 1). And so the Angel of the Presence, commanded by God, dictates the narrative to Moses in place of the anonymous narrator of Genesis and sets the whole within an explicit chronology. The modifications are generally of two kinds\u2014additions and omissions. Additions take a number of forms, such as the clarification that the sin introduced by the fallen angels was so heinous as to justify the extent of God\u2019s judgment in the flood (Jub. 5:1\u201319). And even after the flood the offspring of the fallen angels continue to lead humanity into sin (Jub. 10:1\u201313). The account of the land allocated to Noah\u2019s descendants provides a basis for Israel\u2019s territorial claims (8:8\u20139:15; 10:28\u201334). After recounting the Genesis narrative of Abram\u2019s origins (Jub. 11:27\u201332), Jubilees explains that he merited the ensuing favor with God (cf. Gen. 12:1\u20133) by furnishing accounts of his youth in which he exhibits hostility toward idolatry while embracing monotheism (Jub. 11:15\u201312:21). Levi\u2019s negative depiction in Genesis (Gen. 34; 49:5\u20137) causes the author of Jubilees to try to improve his reputation. His vengeance on Shechem is seen as a righteous act (Jub. 30:17\u201320). He is blessed by Isaac (31:13\u201317) and learns by a dream of his appointment to the priesthood (32:1), for which he is anointed by Jacob (32:2\u20139). Jubilees also inserts an account of a war between Egypt and Canaan to explain why Joseph\u2019s bones remained in Egypt until after the exodus (46:4\u201311; cf. Gen. 50:24\u201326; Exod. 13:19; Josh. 24:32). Jubilees adds a number of speeches not found in the Hebrew Bible, such as the dialogue between Moses and God (Jub. 1), the legal topics explained by the angel (2:17\u201333; 5:13\u201319; 6:10\u201338; 15:25\u201334; 16:28\u201331; 23:8\u201331; 30:5\u201323; 32:10\u201315; 33:9\u201320; 41:23\u201328; 49:7\u201323; 50:6\u201313), and speeches or \u201ctestaments\u201d from parents to their progeny (7:20\u201339; 20:1\u201322:30; 25; 35; 36). Still other additions pertain to characterization, both positive and negative. Jacob, for instance, is an obedient and respectful son (Jub. 25; 29:15\u201320; 35\u201336), whereas Esau breaks his pledge to his parents and wages war against Jacob (37:1\u201338:14). Presumably Jubilees\u2019 omissions did not suit the author\u2019s purposes or perhaps conflicted with them. These include the expulsion of Hagar (Gen. 16:6\u201314), two accounts of Abimelech (Gen. 20; 21:22\u201334), and the reduction of the lengthy search for a wife for Isaac (Gen. 24) and the preparations for Esau and Jacob to meet (Gen. 32:1\u201333:17), each of which are reduced to a single verse (Jub. 19:10; 29:13). Also omitted are negative portrayals of people whom the author prefers to cast in a positive light, such as Abraham (Gen. 12:13, 19) and Jacob (Gen. 27:19). So for interpreters of the Hebrew Bible, the Jewish Pseudepigrapha from the Second Temple period furnish a fascinating glimpse at how ancient Jews understood the sacred text.<\/p>\n<p>On the New Testament side, there are plenty of examples that could illustrate their significance. Among my favorites is the \u201cSon of David\u201d in the Psalms of Solomon, chapter 17. Psalm 17 recalls God\u2019s promise of David\u2019s kingship to his descendants (17:4). But Israel\u2019s sins have caused \u201csinners\u201d to rise up against it and establish a monarchy (Hasmoneans) while despoiling the throne of David in arrogance (17:5\u20136). But God raised a man \u201calien to our race\u201d (i.e., the Roman gentile Pompey) who hunted them all down to bring about judgment on them (17:7\u201310). This \u201clawless one\u201d (Pompey entered the Holy of Holies; cf. Pss. Sol. 2:2; Josephus, <em>W. <\/em>1.7.6 \u00a7152; <em>Ant. <\/em>14.4.4 \u00a772) laid waste to the land and expelled its inhabitants (17:11\u201313), doing in Jerusalem what gentiles do for their gods elsewhere (17:14). Even the Israelites living among the \u201cgentile rabble\u201d adopted these practices (17:15). The pious did not remain in Jerusalem but fled to the wilderness (17:16\u201317), while the wicked in Jerusalem continued to practice their iniquity, appointing commoners to leadership and criminals to rule (17:18\u201320). The psalmist then implores the Lord to raise up the king, the son of David, to rule over Israel, asking him to destroy unrighteous rulers and purge Jerusalem of gentiles (17:21\u201324). He will cause nations to flee and gather a holy people (17:25\u201326). He will not tolerate unrighteousness among them and will distribute them upon the land (17:27\u201328). He will judge the peoples and have the gentile nations serve him (17:29\u201330a). He will purge Jerusalem and make it holy, and nations will come from the ends of the earth to see its glory (17:30b\u201331). The Lord Messiah will be a righteous king, and his strength will come from hope in God (17:32\u201334a, 37\u201340a). He will be compassionate to the nations that revere him and bless the Lord\u2019s people (17:34b\u201335), while he himself will be free from sin in order to rule well and drive out sinners (17:36). He will shepherd the Lord\u2019s flock in holiness and discipline the house of Israel with pure words (17:40b\u201343). The psalmist concludes by pronouncing a blessing on those born in that day, asking God to deliver Israel from the pollution of profane enemies, and acknowledging the eternal kingship of the Lord (17:44\u201346). This obvious reminds readers of the ascription of \u201cSon of David\u201d to Jesus, in the Gospel of Matthew (Matt 1:1, 20; 9:27; 12:23; 15:22; 20:30, 31; 21:9, 15; 22:42), where there are kingly overtures drawn from 2 Sam 7, but nothing of the violence or militarism espoused by the Psalms of Solomon, which date between 63 bce and the turn of the era. It gives us a window into the <em>kinds <\/em>of messianism which were in circulation even before the birth of Christ.<\/p>\n<p><em>\u00a0<\/em><strong>Any thoughts on the dating of the Parables of 1 Enoch? <\/strong><\/p>\n<p>The problem with dating the Parables or Similitudes of Enoch (1 En. 37 \u2013 71) is that it makes very few allusions to historical events found within them. Reference to the Parthians and the Medes (56:5\u20138) is typically taken to refer to the Parthian invasion of Palestine 40 b.c.e. The reference to springs that serve the kings and the mighty but will become an instrument of judgment (67:5\u201313) is typically taken to refer to Herod the Great\u2019s attempts to find healings in the hot springs of Callirhoe (Josephus, <em>Antiquities <\/em>17.6.5 \u00a7\u00a7171\u201373; <em>Jewish War <\/em>1.33.5 \u00a7\u00a7657\u201358). This locates the <em>Similitudes <\/em>after Herod\u2019s rise to power in 37 b.c.e. Knibb takes the mention of \u201cthe kings and the mighty\u201d to suggest Roman authorities, which may place the <em>Similitudes <\/em>as a late first century c.e. A common view is that it originates prior to the outset of the Jewish revolt in 66 c.e., to which no clear reference is made. Beyond that I do not see that any more clarity can be given.<\/p>\n<p><em>\u00a0<\/em><strong>Can you give an example of an apocalypse, a testament, a re-written scripture, and psalm from the pseudepigrapha that you think would be a great place to start?\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Perhaps the best place to start is the Apocalypse of Abraham, which is a Jewish apocalyptic writing from after the destruction of the temple in 70 CE. Unlike other similar works, like 4 Ezra or 2 Baruch, this work consists of a first-person narrative of the patriarch\u2019s youth and pilgrimage from the idolatry of his fathers (Apoc. Ab. 1\u20138) and an apocalypse proper in which God makes revelations to him (chaps. 9\u201332). What makes it interesting for new readers is the way it expands on what we know from the Bible about Abraham to make its own point. We know, for instance, that Abraham was called by God (Gen 12), but the Apocalypse of Abraham speculates about the \u201cback story\u201d not because it is arguing for the historicity of a new narrative, but to show how a revered Jew was called from the absurdities of idolatry: Let me just overview the narrative half of the book: The book begins with Abraham\u2019s narration of his observing the gods of his father and brother to see which was strongest (Apoc. Ab. 1:1). In the course of his story Abraham encounters a stone god, Marumath, fallen to the ground (1:2\u20134). Abraham, with the help of his father, Terah, lifts it to its place only for its head to fall off in Abraham\u2019s hands (1:5\u20136). Thereupon Terah fashions a new god Marumath without a head from another stone and smashes the remains of the first one (1:7\u20139). Terah then makes five other gods and instructs Abraham to sell them (2:1\u20133). Along the way three of them break (2:4) and are thrown into a river (2:9). The remaining two are sold at a price suitable for all five (2:5\u20138). While returning to his father, Abraham ponders the legitimacy of man-made idols being gods (3:1\u20138).<\/p>\n<p>Upon his return to his father (4:1\u20132), Abraham explains that Terah is in fact god to the idols that he fashioned (4:3\u20135). Terah responds in anger to Abraham speaking against his gods (4:6). Then Terah instructs Abraham to gather woodchips lying about from his fashioning of gods from fir (5:1\u20133). Among the remains Abraham finds a small god called Barisat (5:4\u20135), whom Abraham instructs to tend a fire set to prepare Terah\u2019s food in his absence (5:6\u20138). Upon his return Abraham, to his amusement, finds Barisat ablaze and consumed by the fire (5:9\u201311). Abraham prepares Terah\u2019s meal on the fire and encourages his father to praise Barisat, who threw himself on the fire to cook the food (5:12\u201315). Presumably missing the humor and irony, Terah indeed praises Barisat and vows to create another to make his food the next day (5:16\u201317). Perplexed with a mixture of laughter, bitterness, and anger (6:1), Abraham questions his father\u2019s sensibility first in his thoughts (6:2\u20133) before resolving to make his thoughts known to Terah (6:4\u20137:9), whom he rebukes (7:10). Abraham then appeals to the one true Creator God to make himself known (7:11\u201312). God answers that prayer and makes himself known to Abraham (8:1\u20132; cf. Gen. 12:1). God reveals himself as the Creator and instructs Abraham to leave his father\u2019s house, which subsequently burns to the ground (8:3\u20136). After this, the apocalypse ensues (Apoc. Ab. 9\u201332), set in the scene of Genesis 15.<\/p>\n<p>The purpose of the Apocalypse of Abraham can be found in two unifying themes. First, the author stresses the fundamental distinction between the gentiles and Israel, who are inextricably identified as descendants of Abraham. Second, the book stresses the rejection of idolatry and presents its ancient readers\u2019 idolatry, particularly within the temple cult, as an abandonment of Abraham\u2019s calling in favor of the idolatrous practices of Terah.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Do you have a favourite pseudepigraphical text? <\/strong><\/p>\n<p>I have spent a lot of time with <em>2 Baruch<\/em>, which is a fascinating apocalypse written after the destruction of the Temple by the Romans in 70 c.e. It reflects a lot of the gloom of the prophet Jeremiah, which is natural since Baruch in the Old Testament is the scribe of Jeremiah the prophet. Yet here Baruch himself is the visionary, and he reflects on the tragedy of the temple\u2019s destruction with lamentation \u2013 in apocalyptic form \u2013 for the iniquities of Israel that created the catastrophe. Second Baruch is preserved in full only in Syriac, which raises interesting questions about its original language, transmission history, and use by the Christian communities which were the only settings in which this work is preserved.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Why might people teaching NT studies or early Christianity find this book useful for their students? <\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Again I want to underscore that my book is not a \u201cPseudepigrapha for New Testament students\u201d kind of book, though it can serve that function. With that caveat, however: <em>First,<\/em> I think people <em>teaching <\/em>these subjects may find this book useful for themselves. It is difficult for those teaching in early Christianity to delve into the depths of technical studies on an obscure aspect of Second Temple Judaism. Part of the aim of my book is to furnish readers \u2013 teachers and students \u2013 with a robust point of entry. This is suitable for those teaching New Testament, but also early Judaism, Rabbinics, or any related field. <em>Second,<\/em> I think <em>students <\/em>can gain an appreciation for just how diverse Judaism was in antiquity. Reading the Aramaic Levi Document is quite different from the Sibylline Oracles, which is itself quite distinct from the Book of Jubilees. All have different purposes, emphases, and features, and help students to recognize the complexities exhibited by one subsection of Jewish primary sources from antiquity. Legend has it that Martin Hengel used to say, \u201cIf all you know is the New Testament, you don\u2019t know the New Testament.\u201d His point was that the literary context of the New Testament is a vital component of understanding the New Testament itself. <em>Third<\/em>, for <em>scholars <\/em>who research and write in New Testament, there is a tendency to treat Second Temple texts in general, and those classified as Pseudepigrapha in particular, in a rather monolithic way as \u201cbackground\u201d to the New Testament. But these texts were not written as background; they conveyed the ideas of real people in real contexts, and should be understood as such prior to any secondary usage as background to NT or anything else.<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Here is my interview with Dan Gurtner about the pseudepigrapha and how you can know more about it with the help of his book\u00a0Introducing the Pseudepigrapha of Second Temple Judaism. 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