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#7: a\u2026 possibly-anonyreader?<\/strong>:<\/p>\n

Eve, a question. (Well, upon re-reading this is more of a monologue) A lot of your talk about vowed same sex friendship seems to be very similar to my idea of the best friend. (I hate that particular usage, but it is the only phrase in current parlance that even comes close to the concept.) When I say best friend, I am referring to what Cicero talked about when he discussed friendship. If you haven\u2019t read his On Friendship<\/em>, you absolutely ought to. <\/p>\n

I have a best friend, Ben, who is almost completely unlike me. But we were best friends literally days after we met, very much in the \u201cunchosen\u201d way you speak of. We have never taken any formal vows, but I would drop everything I am doing and fly to Florida (where he lives) to help him if needed. Our friendship is one of mutually held commitments and duties that we both take very seriously. <\/p>\n

So, I am wondering if this is the kind of thing you are talking about, except with the addition of sexual attraction as a complicating factor, something to be transcended that I don\u2019t have to worry about. Ben is really the only person I am comfortable describing as my \u201cfriend\u201d, though I use the term more loosely with my close acquaintances to avoid hurt feelings. But I simply don\u2019t have the depth of bond with those other people as I do with Ben, even though we only see each other at best once a year. <\/p>\n

It is a different relationship than I have with my wife. And yet, somewhat similar. It\u2019s hard to describe. It may just be that I have difficulty forming emotional attachments with people (which is true, my wife and Ben are the only people I would say that I am so attached to) but I don\u2019t see a friend as merely someone with whom to hang out and have fun, watch the ball game, etc. It\u2019s not even shared interests or political ideas. It is a shared commitment very similar to marriage, but without the sex or even the desire for it. It is a sort of mutual defense treaty, but deeper because you really want to put yourself out to help the other person. It\u2019s not a burden. This seems to share some data points with what you are describing, though I get the impression that the vowed same sex friends might live together like siblings. Correct? Or is that simply a possible but not necessary variation? <\/p>\n

This note is already too long, so I\u2019ll shut up. I could talk about this kind of friendship for tens of thousands of words. However, you should definitely read Cicero\u2019s thoughts on the subject! I think I see very much what you are saying, but slantwise. I think there are one or two elements that I am still failing to grasp, but it seems to me to be very similar to the concept of the non-Paris Hilton best friendship. I can see how some people would take this as simply \u201csame sex marriage lite\u201d and an unnecessary and troubling near occasion of sin, but I don\u2019t think that is at all what you are driving at. And I\u2019m not sure why the vows are necessary. However, there is something out there other than neanderthal beer buddies or frustrated suppressed longing.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Eve says<\/strong>: Yes, this is quite in line with my own thinking, as I hope will become clear when I do the final post in this series (for today). I hope that post will also give some sense of why the vows themselves are important to me, even though I also think we really <\/em>need to give more honor to friendship when no formal vows have been taken.<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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