{"id":296,"date":"2011-08-16T21:51:00","date_gmt":"2011-08-16T21:51:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/evetushnet\/2011\/08\/296\/"},"modified":"2011-08-16T21:51:00","modified_gmt":"2011-08-16T21:51:00","slug":"296","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/evetushnet\/2011\/08\/296.html","title":{"rendered":""},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p><span style=\"font-weight:bold\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=AKG_e_NNFQY&amp;feature=fvst\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">I\u2019M ON A SUBMARINE MISSION FOR YOU, BABY<\/a><\/span>: A series of stupid thoughts about the Michelle Bachmann \u201cwifely submission\u201d question. These are really just kind of starting points for thought, not actual thoughts, but I haven\u2019t seen them anywhere else yet, so hey.<\/p>\n<p>1. Obviously this whole conversation would be so different if most American Christians genuinely believed that submission is a privileged, honored position. It was rarely the <span style=\"font-style:italic\">eldest<\/span> sons who inherited the king\u2019s mantle, you know? Exaltavit humiles.<\/p>\n<p>2. If husband = Jesus and wife = Church, then by transitivity wife = Mary\u2026 whom Jesus did actually listen to. Which suggests not that Mary is God but that \u201csubmission\u201d in a Christian context is more complicated than simply an army-like command structure in which He gives the orders and she follows them. There is some kind of interweaving in which both are necessary to hear and understand God\u2019s will. I think that\u2019s a possible Catholic understanding of Bachmann\u2019s \u201clol, <span style=\"font-style:italic\">really?!<\/span>\u201d respect-based answer to this question.<\/p>\n<p>The other thing you could say is that nuns are the Brides of Christ in a really obvious way, and yet they are not known for a lack of feistiness. <\/p>\n<p>So again, maybe the hermeneutic here is more complex than just \u201cI am a computer which runs program DOMINION when my husband presses the ENTER key.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>3. I was really intensely struck by <a href=\"http:\/\/www.getreligion.org\/2011\/08\/chill-please-on-the-submission-obsession\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">this passage<\/a> from an MSNBC \u201cMeet the Press\u201d interview with Bachmann:<br>\n<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"font-weight:bold\">MR. GREGORY<\/span>: But you said that Gald \u2014 God called me to run for Congress. God has said certain things about, you know, going to law school, about pursuing other decisions in your life. There\u2019s a difference between God as a sense of comfort and safe harbor and inspiration, and God telling you to take a particular action.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Because\u2026 I don\u2019t remember what Bachmann answered, and I can guarantee it wasn\u2019t what I\u2019m about to say. But this whole question is just so far from what I understand.<\/p>\n<p>God is not a sense of comfort. God is not a \u201csense of\u201d anything, actually, He is a <span style=\"font-style:italic\">source<\/span> of joy or peace or what have you but not the internal sense of it. But okay whatever, I\u2019ve totally said ridiculously dumb things in live interviews. Move on.<\/p>\n<p>When I follow God I find peace.<\/p>\n<p>That does not mean that I find happiness or comfort. I think I was well served by reading Dorothy Day\u2019s autobiography early in my conversion, because Day makes it clear that peace is not comforting or nice or easy. Peace is the hard work of dragging each moment into place like a giant brick. Peace is grueling. Peace is debilitating and you feel stupid and boring and dumb and worthless every time you drag another stupid boring brick up to its place.<\/p>\n<p>Peace is about finding your place.<\/p>\n<p>Your place may not be comfortable. It may not be pretty; maybe part of your vocation is to make this kind of Christian life beautiful! Maybe you have the painful crown of the pioneer.<\/p>\n<p>But Christ will move you past happiness, past comfort, into the hard work of peace.<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I\u2019M ON A SUBMARINE MISSION FOR YOU, BABY: A series of stupid thoughts about the Michelle Bachmann \u201cwifely submission\u201d question. 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