{"id":5619,"date":"2002-03-21T13:32:00","date_gmt":"2002-03-21T13:32:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/evetushnet\/2002\/03\/5619\/"},"modified":"2002-03-21T13:32:00","modified_gmt":"2002-03-21T13:32:00","slug":"5619","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/evetushnet\/2002\/03\/5619.html","title":{"rendered":""},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p><b>WE HAD TO DESTROY THE CHURCH IN ORDER TO SAVE IT<\/b>: I don\u2019t really know where to begin with Andrew Sullivan\u2019s <a href=\"http:\/\/www.andrewsullivan.com\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">crop of posts today<\/a> (scroll down). I don\u2019t want to address everything he says, so I\u2019ll just take on a couple points and then explain part of why I react so strongly against what <a href=\"http:\/\/www.nationalreview.com\/thecorner\/2002_03_17_corner-archive.shtml#75027592\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Rod Dreher called <\/a>\u201cthe Oprahfication of Andrew.\u201d As always, his comments are in bold, mine in plain text.<\/p>\n<p><b>\u201cThinking about this again today, and reading many of your perceptive emails, it became even clearer to me that sex is the problem \u2013 sex with minors, sex with members of the same gender, sex with members of the opposite gender, relations with the opposite gender. And the striking thing is how, when you read the Gospels, you hear so little about this subject. Jesus seems utterly uninterested in it. So why is the Church so obsessed with it? \u2026Why cannot the Church be as neutral as Jesus was about this issue? Why can we not leave the dark and difficult realm of eros out of fundamental moral teaching? \u2026More specifically: Why can we not hold up marriage and committed loving relationships as the goal but not punish and stigmatize the non-conformists or those whose erotic needs and desires are more complex than the crude opposition to all non-marital and non-procreative sex allows. \u2026Let it go. And let\u2019s focus on what really matters: love of neighbor, prayer, compassion, service, honesty, justice.\u201d<\/b><\/p>\n<p>1) Notice how we move from \u201cthe American hierarchy has covered up pedophilia; they\u2019ve lost an immense amount of credibility; let\u2019s reform, and clean these Augean stables\u201d to \u201csex outside of committed loving relationships is A-OK for \u2018nonconformists.'\u201d This is, no doubt, great news for the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/exec\/obidos\/ASIN\/0679772596\/qid=1016735439\/sr=1-1\/ref=sr_1_1\/103-7129139-8341433\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Mickey Sabbaths<\/a> of the world; and the 30-year-olds who hang around DC high schools and impregnate my pregnancy center\u2019s 15-year-old clients (<i>\u201cbut we\u2019re in love!\u201d<\/i>); not to mention those who seek to <a href=\"http:\/\/www.uexpress.com\/maggiegallagher\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">grope a goat<\/a> (a dark and difficult goat, no doubt, but aren\u2019t they always). One of the reasons we should be grateful for the Church\u2019s guidance in the \u201cdark and difficult realm of eros\u201d is precisely that it is so dark and difficult, and it is good to have a light. Sex and eros often appear centripetal\u2013driving us toward one another\u2013but when they are not linked to caritas, promise-making, and loyalty they become centrifugal, alienating, isolating, and ultimately they can fragment our sense of self. (I need to write more about this, but not today. Start <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/exec\/obidos\/ASIN\/0929387007\/qid=1016735500\/sr=1-1\/ref=sr_1_1\/103-7129139-8341433\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">here<\/a> for more.)<\/p>\n<p>2) If only the Church weren\u2019t so <i>obsessed <\/i>with those slaves! Why are they always going against the natural, moral, and Biblical teaching of slavery? <i>Jesus <\/i>never said slavery was wrong! How can Christianity possibly include anything Jesus was so uninterested in?<\/p>\n<p>Obviously, it is society that is obsessed with sex. The Church responds with the teachings she\u2019s proclaimed for two millennia. I don\u2019t claim to understand all of them (especially the teaching on homosexuality), but several years ago I concluded that the Church was an authoritative teacher, and that she proclaimed God\u2019s truth. Unless and until I am convinced that this is wrong, I will follow her law, which is God\u2019s law.<\/p>\n<p>Sullivan calls what he believes Catholic. As far as I can tell from reading what he\u2019s written, he has a deep, abiding, and deeply-<i>felt <\/i>faith that God is present in his life and that the Catholic Church\u2013whatever he takes that to mean\u2013is the place to find Him. He\u2019s written movingly about his experiences of faith and his love of the Church. But the kind of Catholicism he espouses, in which all moral statements are up for grabs if they prove too difficult for me or too obscure or too strange, is untenable. For example, I do not have a deeply-felt faith. I believe; I seek to give my life to Jesus Christ; and I\u2019ve had several scattered experiences of God\u2019s presence\u2013a few times praying, a few times receiving Communion or in Eucharistic Adoration, a few times just sitting thinking, and so on. But in my day-to-day life, an <i>emotional <\/i>connection to the Church is something I struggle for. (This, by the way, is another reason I dislike iconoclasm [the removal of all images from churches]. Icons, statues, stained-glass scenes all help remind me of the beauty of God, and they remind me more specifically of what I believe, its history, and its power.) <\/p>\n<p>I read Sullivan\u2019s <i><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/exec\/obidos\/ASIN\/0679773150\/qid=1016735559\/sr=1-1\/ref=sr_1_1\/103-7129139-8341433\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Love Undetectable<\/a><\/i> during a period in my life that was already rough; I was deeply shaken by his rejection of the Church\u2019s sexual teachings, and his reasons for that rejection, but since I lacked his emotional commitment to the Church my options were different. He stays in, and dissents; I had absolutely no reason to go that route. I had no deeply-felt connection to Catholicism. I wasn\u2019t raised in it. And so my options were: reject Sullivan\u2019s claims about sex, or reject the Church. That\u2019s why I think that Sullivan\u2019s form of Catholicism is accurately described as \u201cOprahfied\u201d\u2013its claim to be Catholic rests, ultimately, on nothing stronger than the unpredictable waves of human emotion.<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>WE HAD TO DESTROY THE CHURCH IN ORDER TO SAVE IT: I don\u2019t really know where to begin with Andrew Sullivan\u2019s crop of posts today (scroll down). 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