{"id":167,"date":"2006-09-08T14:37:49","date_gmt":"2006-09-08T20:37:49","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/faithfuldemocrats\/2006\/09\/what-gay-affirming-christians-find-in-the-bible\/"},"modified":"2013-05-09T06:20:27","modified_gmt":"2013-05-09T12:20:27","slug":"what-gay-affirming-christians-find-in-the-bible","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/faithfuldemocrats\/2006\/09\/what-gay-affirming-christians-find-in-the-bible\/","title":{"rendered":"What Gay-Affirming Christians find in the Bible"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p>In Christ, there is a new creation.\u00a0 Through the eyes of that new creation, we can see the words of scripture very differently. <\/p>\n<p><!--more--><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">\n<span style=\"font-size: 10pt;font-family: trebuchet ms,geneva\"><br>\nOne of the main fronts in the culture war is the acceptance<br>\nof gay and lesbian persons.<br>\n<\/span>\n<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">\n<span style=\"font-size: 10pt;font-family: trebuchet ms,geneva\"><br>\n\u00a0<br>\n<\/span>\n<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">\n<span style=\"font-size: 10pt;font-family: trebuchet ms,geneva\"><br>\nWhat I find tragic in the way this plays out is the way that<br>\nthe false witness of conservative Christians conflates homosexuality with<br>\npromiscuity, or other forms of sexual immorality.<br>\n<\/span>\n<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">\n<!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--><span style=\"font-size: 10pt;font-family: trebuchet ms,geneva\">\u00a0<\/span><!--[endif]-->\n<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">\n<span style=\"font-size: 10pt;font-family: trebuchet ms,geneva\"><br>\nI have spent years worshipping alongside churches full of<br>\nfaithful gay and lesbian married couples who, to tell the truth, are sexually<br>\nvery boring people.<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt;font-family: trebuchet ms,geneva\">\u00a0 The media seems to<br>\nignore these persons, and I think frankly that they want to be ignored.<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt;font-family: trebuchet ms,geneva\">\u00a0 They want simply to live their lives and<br>\nlove the partner they have chosen for the rest of their lives.<br>\n<\/span>\n<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">\n<!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--><span style=\"font-size: 10pt;font-family: trebuchet ms,geneva\">\u00a0<\/span><!--[endif]-->\n<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">\n<span style=\"font-size: 10pt;font-family: trebuchet ms,geneva\"><br>\nThough on the surface, the struggle seems to be about the<br>\nacceptance or condemnation of a group of people whose inclination for<br>\nrelationship and love is different than the majority, there is actually a<br>\ndeeper conversation going on, a conversation that takes place not at the<br>\nfringes of the faith, in the realm of behaviors and morality, but at the<br>\ncenter, with the basic questions of who Jesus is, and how we read our<br>\nscriptures.<br>\n<\/span>\n<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">\n<!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--><span style=\"font-size: 10pt;font-family: trebuchet ms,geneva\">\u00a0<\/span><!--[endif]-->\n<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">\n<span style=\"font-size: 10pt;font-family: trebuchet ms,geneva\"><br>\nThe fundamentalist, who sees scripture as conceived in the<br>\nmind of God as an instruction book for life, sees some prohibitions and<br>\ncondemnations of same-sex activity in the bible, and this closes the<br>\nquestion.<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt;font-family: trebuchet ms,geneva\">\u00a0 Those who affirm gay and<br>\nlesbian relationships and marriages and support them obviously are not paying<br>\nattention to the bible, in this view.<br>\n<\/span>\n<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">\n<!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--><span style=\"font-size: 10pt;font-family: trebuchet ms,geneva\">\u00a0<\/span><!--[endif]-->\n<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">\n<span style=\"font-size: 10pt;font-family: trebuchet ms,geneva\"><br>\nBut another kind of Christian sees the bible as a record of<br>\nhumanity\u2019s encounter with God as Father, Son and Holy Spirit, and hears God\u2019s \u201cliving<br>\nword\u201d coming through the experiences and words of our ancestors in the faith,<br>\nin spite of the limitations of time, place, and culture.<br>\n<\/span>\n<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">\n<!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--><span style=\"font-size: 10pt;font-family: trebuchet ms,geneva\">\u00a0<\/span><!--[endif]-->\n<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">\n<span style=\"font-size: 10pt;font-family: trebuchet ms,geneva\"><br>\nSt. Paul in the 2<sup>nd<\/sup> letter to the Corinthians,<br>\nthe 3<sup>rd<\/sup> chapter, noted the difference between believers in the old<br>\nrelationship to God carved in stone tablets, and believers in the new<br>\nrelationship, written on human hearts.<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt;font-family: trebuchet ms,geneva\">\u00a0<br>\nHe was talking about the change that had come with the resurrection of<br>\nJesus.<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt;font-family: trebuchet ms,geneva\">\u00a0 He noted that a \u201cveil\u201d was on<br>\nthe hearts of believers in the old law, keeping them from seeing clearly.<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt;font-family: trebuchet ms,geneva\">\u00a0 This veil also keeps them from seeing the<br>\nglory of God reflected in the faces of fellow believers.<br>\n<\/span>\n<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">\n<!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--><span style=\"font-size: 10pt;font-family: trebuchet ms,geneva\">\u00a0<\/span><!--[endif]-->\n<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">\n<span style=\"font-size: 10pt;font-family: trebuchet ms,geneva\"><br>\nI have seen time and time again that it is the experience of<br>\nknowing and loving a gay or lesbian person, and seeing their faith, seeing the<br>\nglory of God reflected in their faces and their relationships, that changes the<br>\nminds of people.<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt;font-family: trebuchet ms,geneva\">\u00a0 Whether it is a family<br>\nmember or a close friend, the witness of their lives lifts a veil from your<br>\neyes, and you no longer see person with the label \u201cgay,\u201d but you see someone<br>\nwho has been baptized into Christ and given the gift of the Holy Spirit.<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt;font-family: trebuchet ms,geneva\">\u00a0 Other words from scripture are opened to<br>\nyou:<br>\n<\/span>\n<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">\n<!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--><span style=\"font-size: 10pt;font-family: trebuchet ms,geneva\">\u00a0<\/span><!--[endif]-->\n<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">\n<span style=\"font-size: 10pt;font-family: trebuchet ms,geneva\"><br>\nWhere before you were concerned that God created humanity<br>\nmale and female, and that this was the only model for human relationship-<br>\n<\/span>\n<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">\n<span style=\"font-size: 10pt;font-family: trebuchet ms,geneva\" class=\"vv\"><em>\u201c<\/em><\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt;font-family: trebuchet ms,geneva\"><em>From now on, therefore, we regard no one<br>\nfrom a human point of view; even though we once knew Christ from a human point<br>\nof view, we know him no longer in that way. So if anyone is in Christ, there is<br>\na new creation: everything old has passed away; see, everything has become new!<br>\nAll this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ, and has<br>\ngiven us the ministry of reconciliation\u201d (2 Corinthians 5:16-18)<\/em><\/span>\n<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">\n<!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--><span style=\"font-size: 10pt;font-family: trebuchet ms,geneva\">\u00a0<\/span><!--[endif]-->\n<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">\n<span style=\"font-size: 10pt;font-family: trebuchet ms,geneva\"><br>\nWhere the distinctions between male and female seemed<br>\nGod-ordained and absolute-<br>\n<\/span>\n<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">\n<span style=\"font-size: 10pt;font-family: trebuchet ms,geneva\"><em>\u201cThere is no longer<br>\nJew or Greek, there is no longer slave or free, there is no longer male and<br>\nfemale; for all of you are one in Christ Jesus.\u201d (Galatians 3.28)<\/em><\/span>\n<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">\n<!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--><span style=\"font-size: 10pt;font-family: trebuchet ms,geneva\">\u00a0<\/span><!--[endif]-->\n<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">\n<span style=\"font-size: 10pt;font-family: trebuchet ms,geneva\"><br>\nAnd when you wonder if it is the right of the Christian to<br>\nbe condemning gay and lesbian people- (This one was read at my brother-in-law\u2019s<br>\nwedding)<br>\n<\/span>\n<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">\n<span style=\"font-size: 10pt;font-family: trebuchet ms,geneva\"><em>\u201cWho will bring any<br>\ncharge against God\u2019s elect? It is God who justifies. Who is to condemn? It is<br>\nChrist Jesus, who died, yes, who was raised, who is at the right hand of God,<br>\nwho indeed intercedes for us.\u201d (Romans 8:33-34)<\/em><\/span>\n<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">\n<span style=\"font-size: 10pt;font-family: trebuchet ms,geneva\"><em><!--[if !supportEmptyParas]-->\u00a0<!--[endif]--><\/em><\/span>\n<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">\n<span style=\"font-size: 10pt;font-family: trebuchet ms,geneva\"><br>\nAnd so the growing number of Christians who affirm and<br>\nsupport gay and lesbian relationships hold scripture very close to our<br>\nhearts.<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt;font-family: trebuchet ms,geneva\">\u00a0 It is the Christ we meet in<br>\nscripture who overcomes our confusion, anxiety, and prejudice and frees us to<br>\nreconcile with neighbors who are different from us.<br>\n<\/span>\n<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">\n<!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--><span style=\"font-size: 10pt;font-family: trebuchet ms,geneva\">\u00a0<\/span><!--[endif]-->\n<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">\n<span style=\"font-size: 10pt;font-family: trebuchet ms,geneva\"><br>\nI have no illusions about changing minds with this column,<br>\nbecause this is the question that polarizes the church more than any<br>\nother.<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt;font-family: trebuchet ms,geneva\">\u00a0 Rather, it is the Holy Spirit<br>\ngiven in baptism and found in the lives of gay and lesbian believers who is our<br>\nonly real hope for overcoming the divide.<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt;font-family: trebuchet ms,geneva\">\u00a0<br>\nWhich has more weight, the six verses in the bible that explicitly<br>\ncondemn same-sex sexual activity, or the overwhelming witness of the loving,<br>\nreconciling God found throughout the Bible?<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt;font-family: trebuchet ms,geneva\">\u00a0<br>\nWhich creation do we live in, the old or the new?<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt;font-family: trebuchet ms,geneva\">\u00a0 If Christ has claimed a gay or lesbian<br>\nperson and lives in them, isn\u2019t getting married just obeying the sixth<br>\ncommandment?<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 10pt;font-family: trebuchet ms,geneva\">\u00a0 In the end, the way we<br>\ntreat our gay and lesbian brothers and sisters in Christ will demonstrate what<br>\nkind of Christians we are.<br>\n<\/span>\n<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">\n<!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--><span style=\"font-size: 10pt;font-family: trebuchet ms,geneva\">\u00a0<\/span><!--[endif]-->\n<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">\n<span style=\"font-size: 10pt;font-family: trebuchet ms,geneva\"><em>Erik Thorson is pastor<br>\nof Bethlehem Lutheran Church in Billings Montana<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>In Christ, there is a new creation.\u00a0 Through the eyes of that new creation, we can see the words of scripture very differently.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1176,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[24],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-167","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-c18-reader-blogs"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v21.1 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>What Gay-Affirming Christians find in the Bible<\/title>\n<meta name=\"description\" content=\"In Christ, there is a new creation.&nbsp; Through the eyes of that new creation, we can see the words of scripture very differently. 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