{"id":17207,"date":"2014-04-11T13:24:20","date_gmt":"2014-04-11T20:24:20","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/filmchat\/?p=17207"},"modified":"2014-04-11T13:24:20","modified_gmt":"2014-04-11T20:24:20","slug":"on-asking-questions-not-assuming-answers-about-noah","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/filmchat\/2014\/04\/on-asking-questions-not-assuming-answers-about-noah.html","title":{"rendered":"On asking questions, not assuming answers, about <i>Noah<\/i>"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/227\/2014\/04\/vlcsnap-2013-11-14-10h51m44s255.png\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/227\/2014\/04\/vlcsnap-2013-11-14-10h51m44s255-300x161.png\" alt=\"\" title=\"vlcsnap-2013-11-14-10h51m44s255\" width=\"300\" height=\"161\" class=\"alignright size-medium wp-image-17208\"><\/a>Brian Godawa has now updated <a href=\"http:\/\/godawa.com\/movieblog\/subversion-serpent-aronofskys-noah\/\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\" rel=\"nofollow\">his post<\/a> on the <i><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/filmchat\/tag\/noah-2014\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">Noah<\/a><\/i> serpent \u2014 twice! \u2014 in response to posts of mine in which I <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/filmchat\/2014\/04\/no-noah-is-not-gnostic-say-that-ten-times-fast.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">debunked<\/a> the claim that <i>Noah<\/i> is Gnostic and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/filmchat\/2014\/04\/be-as-wise-as-serpents-but-stay-away-from-snakeskins.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">tried to untangle<\/a> just what the snakeskin represents, both in Judaism and within the film specifically.<\/p>\n<p>Brian\u2019s a good guy, and he\u2019s done a lot of research into the Noah story, and I have found his posts on that subject very informative. But when it comes to his analysis of Darren Aronofsky\u2019s film, it seems to me that he has certain blind spots, or that he insists too strongly on filtering his experience of the film through a certain worldview without fully engaging with the film on its own terms.<\/p>\n<p><!--more--><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/227\/2014\/04\/noah-comic-justicemercy.png\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/227\/2014\/04\/noah-comic-justicemercy-300x240.png\" alt=\"\" title=\"noah-comic-justicemercy\" width=\"300\" height=\"240\" class=\"alignright size-medium wp-image-17217\"><\/a>For example, two years ago Brian wrote a now-famous review of an early draft of the screenplay, in which Brian dubbed the title character an \u201cenvironmentalist wacko\u201d. When I read that same script a year later, I did not disagree with some of Brian\u2019s criticisms, but I was struck by the fact that he had virtually ignored one of the most pivotal scenes, in which Methuselah spells out the film\u2019s balancing act between divine justice and divine mercy. As it turns out, that bit of dialogue is missing from the actual film \u2014 perhaps the filmmakers thought it was too on-the-nose \u2014 but it was there in the script (it\u2019s also in the graphic novel), and it seemed to me that any review which ignored this would be sorely lacking. So I wrote a blog post <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/filmchat\/2013\/07\/a-few-brief-thoughts-on-the-screenplay-for-noah.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">drawing attention to this scene<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>Now that he has seen the finished film itself, Brian dislikes it as much as he disliked the script, and that\u2019s fine; as they say, there\u2019s no accounting for taste, and there is plenty of room to talk about what works in the film and what doesn\u2019t.<\/p>\n<p>But last week he jumped on the \u201c<i>Noah<\/i> is Gnostic\u201d bandwagon and wrote a couple posts arguing that the film exalts both humanity and the serpent that tempted Adam and Eve over God, and in this I think he is very, very mistaken.<\/p>\n<p>I\u2019ll get to some of Brian\u2019s points in a minute, but the simplest way to show how mistaken he is, is to point to the concluding summary of his latest response to me:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>The Bible: Serpent bad, God good. God decides Man\u2019s value.<br>\nAronofsky\u2019s Noah: Serpent good, God bad (and silent). Man decides Man\u2019s value.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>I would argue that God is not completely silent in this film \u2014 he does send dreams and visions, after all \u2014 but that\u2019s a separate issue. The more pertinent question here is whether the film actually says that God is <i>bad<\/i>, and that the serpent is <i>good<\/i>. And I just don\u2019t see how that reading of the film can be supported in any way whatsoever.<\/p>\n<p>As I\u2019ve said before, the second sentence in the film is \u201cTemptation led to sin,\u201d and this sentence is followed by images of violence and chaos that ultimately lead to (and deserve) divine judgment. More recently, the film\u2019s co-writer Ari Handel has talked about how \u201c<a href=\"http:\/\/www.relevantmagazine.com\/culture\/noah%E2%80%99s-co-writer-explains-film%E2%80%99s-controversial-theology\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\" rel=\"nofollow\">the Tempter arose through<\/a>\u201d the serpent, causing the serpent to shed its luminescent skin and become a darker, more blatantly evil creature.<\/p>\n<p>So with the film itself telling us that the serpent was responsible for all this evil, and with the filmmakers themselves telling us that the serpent was responsible for all this evil, how can we say that the film or its makers are actually saying the opposite? This makes no sense to me, unless we\u2019re going to call the filmmakers outright liars.<\/p>\n<p>Ultimately, the crux of arguments like Godawa\u2019s (and Brian Mattson\u2019s) seems to be that they don\u2019t like the scenes with the snakeskin, which is shed by the serpent in the Garden of Eden and is treated like a sort of holy relic by Noah and his family.<\/p>\n<p>I admit, I kind of recoiled at this imagery myself the first time I saw the film. Or maybe it would be more accurate to say that I was puzzled by it. Unlike the two Brians, whose first instinct seems to have been to read all sorts of assumptions into that imagery, my first instinct was to wonder why the filmmakers had put those scenes in there \u2014 especially since those scenes weren\u2019t in the early script that Godawa and I had read, and they didn\u2019t seem to add all <i>that<\/i> much to the story.<\/p>\n<p>Alas, I neglected to ask Aronofsky and Handel about the snakeskin when <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/filmchat\/2014\/03\/exclusive-darren-aronofsky-and-ari-handel-on-the-meaning-of-righteousness-whether-villains-can-believe-in-god-and-the-hurdles-they-faced-when-pitching-noah.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">I interviewed them<\/a> \u2014 there were so many other topics to discuss, and since the interview began mere seconds after the screening came to an end (I spoke to them in the very same screening room where I had just watched the film), I didn\u2019t have a chance to check my notes or to adjust the list of questions I had compiled <i>before<\/i> the screening.<\/p>\n<p>But a colleague of mine who spoke to them some time later did raise this question, and told me that the skin was meant to represent the serpent\u2019s original goodness. And now Handel is on record to that effect in his recent interview with <i>Relevant<\/i> magazine.<\/p>\n<p>Handel\u2019s comments prompted me to do a bit of research, and I found that there are multiple sources in the Jewish tradition which hypothesize that the \u201cgarments of skin\u201d worn by Adam and Eve when they were cast out of Eden were made from a skin shed by the serpent. Some of those sources even dwell on the paradox that a skin shed by the Tempter should be the means by which Adam and Eve were able to preserve some of their human dignity. (I discuss this in <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/filmchat\/2014\/04\/be-as-wise-as-serpents-but-stay-away-from-snakeskins.html#update\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">an addendum<\/a> to one of my earlier posts.)<\/p>\n<p>The filmmakers take this idea even further and suggest that the serpent shed the skin <i>at the very point when it turned to evil<\/i>, thus, the serpent loses its \u201cgarment of light\u201d just as Adam and Eve will lose theirs when they eat the forbidden fruit. (And please, no more nonsense about the \u201cgarments of light\u201d being some sort of evil Gnostic-Kabbalistic heresy. The tradition that Adam and Eve were clothed in \u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/frted.wordpress.com\/2010\/01\/08\/theophany-baptism-and-the-garment-of-salvation-1\/\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\" rel=\"nofollow\">garments of light<\/a>\u201d before they fell is accepted within my own Eastern Orthodox tradition.)<\/p>\n<p>So, I came away from the film with a question, and now I have an answer; indeed, I have learned something that I didn\u2019t know before. The two Brians, on the other hand, did not come away with questions; they assumed that they already knew what the answer would be. And this has coloured their commentary ever since.<\/p>\n<p>This, it seems to me, is just one more example of how some viewers are judging this \u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/filmchat\/2014\/03\/the-jewish-roots-of-and-responses-to-noah.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">most Jewish<\/a>\u201d of Bible movies according to Christian presuppositions.<\/p>\n<p>Brian does not dispute the fact that Jewish tradition posits all these ideas about the snakeskin; instead, his main rebuttal is to say that the Christian tradition is better than the Jewish tradition, and more authentically Jewish than the Jewish tradition.<\/p>\n<p>Be that as it may \u2014 and setting aside the fact that the first-century Judaism which led to modern Christianity and modern Judaism was so diverse that some scholars are wont to speak of Judaisms, plural, in this period \u2014 my point here is not to say that I think the Jewish tradition is better than the Christian tradition or vice versa.<\/p>\n<p>My point, rather, is to say that <i>this film<\/i> grows out of the Jewish tradition, and that it needs to be understood <i>within that context<\/i> if it is to be understood at all. As I wrote last year in <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/filmchat\/2013\/12\/bible-epics-are-back-on-the-silver-screen.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">an article<\/a> on the Bible-epic revival for <i>The Anglican Planet<\/i>:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Second, we should recognize that not all of these stories are necessarily \u201cours.\u201d The biblical story of Noah, for example, is as much a part of the Jewish scriptures as it is ours, and it seems Aronofsky\u2019s film will be based in part on the pseudepigraphal Book of Enoch and other Jewish legends that elaborate on that narrative. Christians can, at least in theory, benefit from these traditions as surely as non-Catholics benefited from Mel Gibson\u2019s deeply Catholic treatment of <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/filmchat\/tag\/passion-of-the-christ\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">the Passion<\/a>.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/227\/2014\/04\/passion-levitatingcross.png\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/227\/2014\/04\/passion-levitatingcross-300x124.png\" alt=\"\" title=\"passion-levitatingcross\" width=\"300\" height=\"124\" class=\"alignright size-medium wp-image-17223\"><\/a>I\u2019m sure there were probably <i>some<\/i> Protestants a decade ago who objected to the levitating cross and the mystical depiction of Mary and some of the various other things that Mel Gibson put into his film, all of which reflect an utterly non-Protestant sensibility. But by and large, evangelical Christians seemed to be okay with that film, and some of them were perhaps even willing to learn a thing or two about the Catholic tradition and what it can teach us about the death of Jesus.<\/p>\n<p>Similarly, I think we <i>should<\/i> be able to approach a film like <i>Noah<\/i> in a spirit of honest curiosity. We don\u2019t have to agree with everything the film says and does, and we don\u2019t have to give up any of our Christian beliefs about Creation, the Fall, the Flood and so on. But we do a disservice to the film and to everyone who is trying to understand it when we try to shoehorn it into categories that it was never meant to fit into.<\/p>\n<p>As for the question of God\u2019s silence, or the fact that Noah assumes some of the functions within this film that the Bible ascribes to God (choosing between justice and mercy, blessing his offspring, etc.)\u2026 I will try to address that in another post.<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>A response to Brian Godawa&#8217;s response to my response to him: Can we appreciate Darren Aronofsky&#8217;s film as something that grows out of the Jewish tradition, without insisting that it line up with Christian presuppositions?<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1116,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[4],"tags":[637,1321,1241,2030,54,638,2037,58,63,189],"class_list":["post-17207","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-blog","tag-adam","tag-ari-handel","tag-brian-godawa","tag-brian-mattson","tag-darren-aronofsky","tag-eve","tag-gnosticism","tag-methuselah","tag-noah-2014","tag-passion-of-the-christ"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v21.1 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>On asking questions, not assuming answers, about Noah<\/title>\n<meta name=\"description\" content=\"A response to Brian Godawa&#039;s response to my response to him: Can we appreciate Darren Aronofsky&#039;s film as something that grows out of the Jewish tradition, without insisting that it line up with Christian presuppositions?\" \/>\n<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"index, follow, max-snippet:-1, max-image-preview:large, max-video-preview:-1\" \/>\n<link rel=\"canonical\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/filmchat\/2014\/04\/on-asking-questions-not-assuming-answers-about-noah.html\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:locale\" content=\"en_US\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:type\" content=\"article\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:title\" content=\"On asking questions, not assuming answers, about Noah\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:description\" content=\"A response to Brian Godawa&#039;s response to my response to him: Can we appreciate Darren Aronofsky&#039;s film as something that grows out of the Jewish tradition, without insisting that it line up with Christian presuppositions?\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:url\" content=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/filmchat\/2014\/04\/on-asking-questions-not-assuming-answers-about-noah.html\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:site_name\" content=\"FilmChat\" \/>\n<meta property=\"article:published_time\" content=\"2014-04-11T20:24:20+00:00\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:image\" content=\"http:\/\/wp.patheos.com.s3.amazonaws.com\/blogs\/filmchat\/files\/2014\/04\/vlcsnap-2013-11-14-10h51m44s255-300x161.png\" \/>\n<meta name=\"author\" content=\"Peter T. 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