{"id":175,"date":"2009-09-12T01:12:00","date_gmt":"2009-09-12T01:12:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/filmchat\/2009\/09\/the-invention-of-lying-take-two\/"},"modified":"2009-09-12T01:12:00","modified_gmt":"2009-09-12T01:12:00","slug":"the-invention-of-lying-take-two","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/filmchat\/2009\/09\/the-invention-of-lying-take-two.html","title":{"rendered":"The Invention of Lying, take two."},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p><span style=\"font-family: georgia\"><\/span><\/p>\n<div style=\"float: right;padding-left: 10px\"><a href=\"https:\/\/1.bp.blogspot.com\/_MwnH1kpbPRM\/Sv9nGQHmAuI\/AAAAAAAADMs\/znfS5CWrtLE\/s1600-h\/invention+of+lying.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img decoding=\"async\" style=\"cursor:pointer;cursor:hand;height: 300px\" src=\"https:\/\/1.bp.blogspot.com\/_MwnH1kpbPRM\/Sv9nGQHmAuI\/AAAAAAAADMs\/znfS5CWrtLE\/s400\/invention+of+lying.jpg\" border=\"0\" alt=\"\"><\/a><\/div>\n<p><i>The Invention of Lying<\/i> premieres at the Toronto International Film Festival <a href=\"http:\/\/www.tiff.net\/filmsandschedules\/films\/inventionoflying\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\" rel=\"nofollow\">next week<\/a>, so now\u2019s as good a time as any to follow up <a href=\"http:\/\/filmchatblog.blogspot.com\/2009\/08\/invention-of-blasphemy.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">my earlier post<\/a> on that film.<\/p>\n<p>As Mark noted in <a href=\"http:\/\/www.christianitytoday.com\/lyris\/movies\/archives\/09-04-2009.html\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\" rel=\"nofollow\">his newsletter<\/a> last week, my earlier post was <a href=\"http:\/\/blog.christianitytoday.com\/ctmovies\/2009\/08\/the-invention-of-blasphemy.html#comments\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\" rel=\"nofollow\">flooded with comments<\/a> after Ricky Gervais, the star and co-writer-director of that film, linked to it from <a href=\"http:\/\/www.rickygervais.com\/thissideofthetruth.php\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">his own blog<\/a> with the simple comment: \u201cAnd so it starts\u2026\u201d<\/p>\n<p>The \u201cit\u201d in question was, presumably, the \u201cbig controversy\u201d that fellow co-writer-director Matthew Robinson hinted the film would cause in an interview with the <a href=\"http:\/\/moviesblog.mtv.com\/2009\/08\/27\/mtv-fall-movie-preview-ricky-gervais-plans-big-controversies-in-the-invention-of-lying\/\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\" rel=\"nofollow\">MTV Movies Blog<\/a>. My post was an attempt to track the clues, contained in interviews and official publicity materials, as to what that \u201cbig controversy\u201d might be \u2014 and rather than spell everything out, I presented the clues and hoped the reader would be intrigued enough to put the pieces together for themselves.<\/p>\n<p>And that was it. I didn\u2019t make any comment on the film itself, let alone pass any judgment on it, for the obvious reason that I have not seen it yet. But many people saw the word \u201cChristianity\u201d at the top of this blog, and the word \u201cblasphemy\u201d in the headline to that post \u2014 co-star Jennifer Garner\u2019s word, not mine \u2014 and so they leapt to the conclusion that I was somehow protesting the film. Far from it. In fact, I included a YouTube clip of Gervais discussing his atheism at the end of the post (a clip that I discovered while perusing his blog, as it happens) precisely because it <i>wasn\u2019t<\/i> all that negative, and it gave me hope that a constructive conversation around these issues might be possible.<\/p>\n<p>I still have that hope, but in the meantime, it seems I need to spell out more clearly what my earlier post was getting at.  So here goes:<\/p>\n<p>1. Punctuation is important. I never said the film was \u201cblasphemy\u201d. Rather, in sussing out what the \u201cbig controversy\u201d might be, I came across <a href=\"http:\/\/www.hitfix.com\/blogs\/2008-12-6-motion-captured\/posts\/the-motion-captured-interview-jennifer-garner-on-set-for-the-invention-of-lying\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\" rel=\"nofollow\">an interview with Garner<\/a> in which she said she initially hesitated to be part of this movie because her parents might \u201cthink it was blasphemy\u201d. This seemed like an obvious clue as to the nature of the \u201cbig controversy\u201d, so I put it in the headline \u2014 but in quotes, and with a question mark.<\/p>\n<p>2. Robinson says the \u201cbig controversy\u201d will revolve around the Gervais character \u201cinventing something that in a world without lying wouldn\u2019t exist\u201d. Garner says God doesn\u2019t \u201cexist\u201d in the world depicted in this film. And yet, based on the prominence of church-related imagery in the subliminal rapid-fire montage that appears in the middle of the trailer, it would seem that religion does come to exist in this world after all. Is <i>this<\/i> what the Gervais character invents? Based on the triptych that appears in the shot below, which depicts the Gervais character holding a couple of tablets Ten Commandments-style, it would seem the answer is yes:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/1.bp.blogspot.com\/_MwnH1kpbPRM\/Spl9cyOKbHI\/AAAAAAAADK0\/ss_pw6oYU8Q\/s1600-h\/inventionoflying6.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img decoding=\"async\" style=\"cursor:pointer;cursor:hand;width: 400px;height: 226px\" src=\"https:\/\/1.bp.blogspot.com\/_MwnH1kpbPRM\/Spl9cyOKbHI\/AAAAAAAADK0\/ss_pw6oYU8Q\/s400\/inventionoflying6.jpg\" border=\"0\" alt=\"\"><\/a><\/p>\n<p>3. Many people, including myself, have been eagerly looking forward to this film because we enjoy Gervais\u2019s comedy, and also partly because it looked like this film could be a moral fable similar to, say, <i><a href=\"http:\/\/www.christianitytoday.com\/movies\/commentaries\/filmmakersoffaith\/fofshadyac.html\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\" rel=\"nofollow\">Liar Liar<\/a><\/i> (which, incidentally, was directed by a Christian, <a href=\"http:\/\/filmchatblog.blogspot.com\/2008\/11\/tom-shadyac-to-direct-sam-kinison.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Tom Shadyac<\/a>). To the extent that the film might be a bit more complicated than that, or to the extent that the filmmakers may be hinting at \u201cbig controversies\u201d in anticipation of the film\u2019s release, I think it\u2019s only fair to give interested viewers a heads-up. But as always, the viewers would need to see the film for themselves before they could form any educated opinions about it.<\/p>\n<p>4. As far as I know, no one involved at CT Movies has seen the film yet \u2014 but I <i>have<\/i> heard from one person who claims to have read the screenplay, and, after describing some of the plot points, that person said the script comes across like a \u201cthinly veiled atheist screed\u201d that owes a lot to the Richard Dawkins brand of atheism. And for what it\u2019s worth, the person in question is a self-professed \u201chuge fan of <i>The Office<\/i>\u201d who found the screenplay \u201cvery disappointing\u201d. Now, if I had read the script myself, I might have a very different take on it than this person did. And of course, screenplays go through rewrites all the time, and directors have different ways of interpreting those screenplays; just the other day, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.hitfix.com\/blogs\/2008-12-6-motion-captured\/posts\/the-motion-captured-interview-ricky-gervais-one-on-one\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\" rel=\"nofollow\">Hitfix<\/a> posted an on-set interview with Gervais in which they discussed how Rob Lowe had an \u201cad-lib about Hell\u201d that Gervais decided not to use. So the finished film could be very different from the script that this person read. But it\u2019s something to keep in mind.<\/p>\n<p>5. In a more recent blog post (sorry, there don\u2019t seem to be any permalinks), Gervais says, \u201cBy suggesting there is no God you are not singling out Christianity.\u201d That\u2019s certainly true as far as it goes. And certainly, any religion invented by Gervais\u2019s character in this film would not be identical to any religion in the real world. That being said, fictitious religions do borrow many of their bits and pieces from real-world religions, and nearly every identifiable bit of religious iconography glimpsed in this film so far seems to borrow from the Christian tradition. Not as extensively as, say, <i><a href=\"http:\/\/filmchatblog.blogspot.com\/2007\/12\/these-villains-are-brought-to-you-by.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">The Golden Compass<\/a><\/i>, perhaps, but still.<\/p>\n<p>6. In that same post, Gervais also says, \u201cNot believing in God cannot be blasphemous. Blasphemy is acknowledging a God to insult or offend etc.\u201d For what it\u2019s worth, I sort of agree. As G.K. Chesterton once put it, \u201cBlasphemy itself could not survive religion, if anyone doubts that let him try to blaspheme Odin.\u201d And as Terry Jones notes in the commentary for <i><a href=\"http:\/\/filmchatblog.blogspot.com\/2009\/06\/jesus-spartacus-and-monty-python.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Monty Python\u2019s Life of Brian<\/a><\/i> \u2014 one of <a href=\"http:\/\/www.christianitytoday.com\/bc\/1998\/novdec\/8b6008.html?start=3\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\" rel=\"nofollow\">my favorite films of all time<\/a>, by the way \u2014 there is a difference between \u201cblasphemy\u201d, which is the mockery of a god, and \u201cheresy\u201d, which is the subverting of a traditional belief about that god. That being said, even if one does not acknowledge the existence of any given god, I think one can still acknowledge another person\u2019s <i>belief<\/i> in that god and insult or offend that belief, knowing that it will come across as blasphemy to the person who holds that belief. But of course, we won\u2019t know whether or not this film does that until we have had a chance to see it for ourselves.<\/p>\n<p>7. Finally, I fully support Gervais\u2019s right to believe what he wants and make whatever film he wants; in fact, one of my atheist friends and I sometimes grumble about how Hollywood is too wussy to make films that clearly embrace either of our viewpoints, and when I first gathered what <i>The Invention of Lying<\/i> might be all about, a part of me wondered if \u2014 and even hoped that \u2014 my friend might like it. (You don\u2019t have to agree with someone\u2019s beliefs in order to empathize with their desire to feel \u201crepresented\u201d onscreen.) What\u2019s more, we\u2019re all about encouraging dialogue here at CT Movies, and in the past we have interviewed such atheists as <a href=\"http:\/\/filmchatblog.blogspot.com\/2007\/11\/philip-pullman-extended-e-mail.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Philip Pullman<\/a> (author of <i><a href=\"http:\/\/filmchatblog.blogspot.com\/2005\/01\/his-dark-materials-article-archive.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">The Golden Compass<\/a><\/i>) and <a href=\"http:\/\/filmchatblog.blogspot.com\/2005\/06\/brian-flemming-interview.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Brian Flemming<\/a> (director of <i>The God Who Wasn\u2019t There<\/i>). If an opportunity to speak with Gervais or one of his fellow filmmakers came along, we\u2019d be game, for sure.<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The Invention of Lying premieres at the Toronto International Film Festival next week, so now\u2019s as good a time as any to follow up my earlier post on that film. 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