{"id":7993,"date":"2015-11-22T11:09:41","date_gmt":"2015-11-22T18:09:41","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/admin.patheos.com\/blogs\/frankschaeffer\/?p=7993"},"modified":"2015-11-22T11:09:41","modified_gmt":"2015-11-22T18:09:41","slug":"those-including-many-progressive-christians-david-cameron-and-barack-obama-who-insist-that-jihadis-are-not-real-muslims-miss-the-point","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/frankschaeffer\/2015\/11\/those-including-many-progressive-christians-david-cameron-and-barack-obama-who-insist-that-jihadis-are-not-real-muslims-miss-the-point\/","title":{"rendered":"Those \u2013 including many progressive Christians &#038; David Cameron and Barack Obama \u2013 who insist that jihadis are not &#8216;real&#8217; Muslims miss the point"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><div class=\"_209g _2vxa\" style=\"color: #141823;\" data-block=\"true\" data-offset-key=\"d5n1n-0-0\">\n<blockquote>\n<p style=\"color: #333333;\"><strong>There appears, to be something especially potent about Islam<\/strong> in fomenting terror and persecution. Contemporary radical Islam is the religious form through which a particular kind of barbarous rage expresses itself.<\/p>\n<p style=\"color: #333333;\">So, to understand why jihadis have been drawn into a moral universe that allows them to celebrate inhuman acts, we have to understand why political rage against the West takes such nihilistic, barbaric forms, and why radical Islam has become the primary vehicle for such rage.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p style=\"color: #333333;\">So writes\u00a0<a class=\"tone-colour decorated-link\" style=\"font-weight: 200; color: #e6711b;\" href=\"http:\/\/www.theguardian.com\/profile\/kenanmalik\" rel=\"nofollow\" data-link-name=\"auto tag link\" target=\"_blank\">Kenan Malik<\/a><span style=\"color: #141823;\">\u00a0the\u00a0<\/span>Indian-born English writer, lecturer and broadcaster, trained in neurobiology and the history of science in the best and most truthful piece I\u2019ve ever read on Islam and terror.<\/p>\n<p style=\"color: #333333;\">Please read this <a href=\"http:\/\/www.theguardian.com\/commentisfree\/2015\/nov\/22\/islam-terror-morality-paris\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><em>Guardian<\/em><\/a> essay, and respond here. This is a must read to talk about\u2026 with huge implications for all of us.<\/p>\n<p><strong>\u201cThe day before the Paris carnage<\/strong>,\u00a0<a class=\" u-underline decorated-link\" style=\"color: #005689;\" href=\"http:\/\/www.theguardian.com\/world\/2014\/jan\/02\/beirut-car-bomb-blast-hezbollah-stronghold\" data-link-name=\"in body link\" data-component=\"in-body-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">two suicide bombers killed at least 40 people in a Shia district of Beirut<\/a>. The week after, two suicide bombings in Nigeria killed 49 people. Faced with such atrocities, we can often do little but reach for adjectives such as \u2018barbarous\u2019, \u2018depraved\u2019 \u2013 even \u2018evil\u2019. But what is it that makes people act in such depraved, evil ways? \u00a0<a class=\"tone-colour decorated-link\" style=\"font-weight: 200; color: #e6711b;\" href=\"http:\/\/www.theguardian.com\/profile\/kenanmalik\" rel=\"nofollow\" data-link-name=\"auto tag link\" target=\"_blank\">Kenan Malik<\/a>\u201d writes, he continues\u2026<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\u201cThe sad truth,\u201d Hannah Arendt wrote in\u00a0<em>The Life of the Mind<\/em>, \u201cis that most evil is done by people who never make up their minds to be good or evil.\u201d Marc Sageman, once a CIA case officer in Afghanistan, now an academic and counter-terrorism consultant, makes a similar point about today\u2019s jihadis. \u201cIt\u2019s comforting to believe that these guys are different from us, because what they do is so evil,\u201d he argues. \u201cUnfortunately, they aren\u2019t that different.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>But jihadis are different. They are, after all, jihadis. How are people \u201cwho aren\u2019t that different\u201d from you and me able to commit the most brutal of mass murders?<\/p>\n<p>When we talk of an act as depraved or evil, we are not merely describing something particularly abhorrent. We are making a claim about the boundaries of morality itself.<\/p>\n<p>People often disagree about the most fundamental of moral issues. Some, for instance, view torture as always wrong; others think it acceptable to obtain vital information. Each may view the other as immoral. Yet they are likely to agree that both are debating questions of right and wrong.<\/p>\n<p>If someone were to say, however, that \u201cTorturing people is an unalloyed good\u201d, few would see him as making a moral argument at all. And most people would call such a claim \u201cevil\u201d.<\/p>\n<p>Evil, in other words, is not simply about defining an act as being particularly wicked. It is also about defining the space within which we can have a meaningful debate about good and bad, virtue and wickedness.<\/p>\n<p>What makes the actions of jihadis so inexplicable is that they seem to take place beyond the moral universe most of us inhabit. So, what is it that leads people \u201cwho aren\u2019t that different\u201d to cross the normal boundaries of morality?<\/p>\n<p>People have, of course, always committed depraved and evil acts, but simply to say \u201cIt has always happened\u201d does not explain what is distinctive about contemporary terrorism. Nor does it address perhaps the most incendiary question today: why do Islamist groups in particular seem so much more sadistic, even evil? <a href=\"http:\/\/www.theguardian.com\/commentisfree\/2015\/nov\/22\/islam-terror-morality-paris\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><strong>PLEASE READ THE REST HERE<\/strong><\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><strong style=\"color: #2b2b2b;\">Frank\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/frank.schaeffer.16\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\" rel=\"nofollow\">Schaeffer<\/a><\/strong><span style=\"color: #2b2b2b;\">\u00a0is a writer.\u00a0His latest book \u2014<\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Why-Atheist-Believes-GodNew-Title-ebook\/dp\/B00KDOMMUO\/ref=sr_sp-btf_image_1_2?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1400583224&amp;sr=8-2-fkmr0&amp;keywords=why+i+am+an+atheist+who+believes+in+god\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><strong>WHY I AM AN ATHEIST WHO BELIEVES IN GOD:<\/strong>\u00a0<em>How to give love, create beauty and find peace<\/em><\/a><\/p>\n<div data-reactid=\".1i.1.0.0.0.0.1:$mid=11416478478715=25a0e2899f2a1b59864.0.1.0.$right.0.0.1\">\n<h2 style=\"color: #2b2b2b;\">Available now on Amazon<\/h2>\n<div style=\"color: #2b2b2b;\"><a href=\"http:\/\/amzn.to\/RRCBRn\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.frankschaeffer.com\/uploads\/3\/4\/3\/8\/3438458\/2682073_orig.png\" alt=\"Picture\"><\/a><\/div>\n<div style=\"color: #2b2b2b;\">\n<div><a href=\"http:\/\/amzn.to\/RRCBRn\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.frankschaeffer.com\/uploads\/3\/4\/3\/8\/3438458\/3619042.jpg?340\" alt=\"Picture\">\u00a0<\/a><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div data-reactid=\".1i.1.0.0.0.0.1:$mid=11416478478715=25a0e2899f2a1b59864.0.1.0.$right.0.0.1\">\n<div style=\"color: #2b2b2b;\">\n<div><strong><em>Follow Frank on Twitter\u00a0<\/em><\/strong><a href=\"http:\/\/www.twitter.com\/frank_schaeffer\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><strong>www.twitter.com\/frank_schaeffer<\/strong><\/a>\u00a0<strong><em>See Frank\u2019s paintings\u00a0<\/em><\/strong><a href=\"http:\/\/www.frankschaefferart.com\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><strong>http:\/\/www.frankschaefferart.com\/<\/strong><\/a>\u00a0<strong><em>Follow Frank on Facebook<\/em><\/strong><strong>\u00a0<\/strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/frank.schaeffer.16\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><strong>https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/frank.schaeffer.16<\/strong><\/a>\u00a0<strong><em>Contact Frank at<\/em><\/strong><strong>\u00a0<\/strong><strong><a href=\"http:\/\/www.frankschaeffer.com\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">http:\/\/www.frankschaeffer.com<\/a><\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>There appears, to be something especially potent about Islam in fomenting terror and persecution. 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