{"id":553,"date":"2013-05-08T08:12:30","date_gmt":"2013-05-08T13:12:30","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/geekgoesrogue\/?p=553"},"modified":"2014-01-22T23:18:31","modified_gmt":"2014-01-23T05:18:31","slug":"indie-comic-artist-interview-katherine-wirick","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/geekgoesrogue\/2013\/05\/indie-comic-artist-interview-katherine-wirick\/","title":{"rendered":"Indie Comic Artist Interview: Katherine Wirick"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p>I\u2019m writing this from New Orleans, the land of dreams and nightmares. I\u2019m going to be posting about my time here later in the week.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/326\/2013\/05\/tumblr_lrsqc7uUv01qjbfjj.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft size-thumbnail wp-image-556\" title=\"tumblr_lrsqc7uUv01qjbfjj\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/326\/2013\/05\/tumblr_lrsqc7uUv01qjbfjj-150x150.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"150\" height=\"150\"><\/a>In the meantime, allow me to introduce you to an amazing artist and writer, <a href=\"http:\/\/katherine.kreider-wirick.com\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Katherine Wirick<\/a>. A few weeks ago, I attended S.P.A.C.E. con, an Indie Comic-Con convention. Katherine\u2019s work drew me in because she published a whole graphic novel in an impressive, painting size piece of art. When I took time to read her work, <a href=\"http:\/\/katherine.kreider-wirick.com\/safe\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">No One is Safe<\/a>, I cried. The story is about Katherine telling about her father\u2019s role as an eye witness to the <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Kent_State_shootings\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Kent State massacre<\/a>. As she wrote the story, her father got sick with cancer, given to him by his experience in working with military chemicals. She tells that story as well.<\/p>\n<p>All that in one graphic novel\/painting? Yeah, and it\u2019s pretty amazing. When I get some cash, I\u2019m buying a full on <a href=\"http:\/\/katherinewirick.bigcartel.com\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">print<\/a>. \u00a0Normally, I try to keep these interviews short, but our conversation turned up a bit more things I want to discuss on this blog. So, enjoy the conversation\u2026..<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>GGR: Describe your journey from wanting to be a painter to Graphic novels and comics. How did that come about?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>K:<\/strong> I didn\u2019t have any serious art education until I went to the Columbus College of Art and Design. The main reason I wound up there was that I didn\u2019t really want to do anything except draw, but there was the added side benefit that they didn\u2019t care what was on anyone\u2019s high school transcript, and there was nothing on my transcript because I had dropped out halfway through ninth grade. That made it functionally impossible to get into most universities but CCAD just wanted to know if I had my GED or not. I knew, when I went there, what I wanted to do, which was comics, so I majored in illustration, but although I got to know some really great professors and students, it wasn\u2019t a perfect fit for me, because I\u2019m not really an illustrator in the usual sense. I don\u2019t have any interest in producing pictures to accompany someone else\u2019s text.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>I wound up at the Pennsylvania Academy of the Fine Arts primarily because I wanted to draw better. I probably would never have even heard of it except that my husband had gone through their undergrad program, and he came out with a set of drawing and painting skills that I fiercely envied. I wanted was the kind of education that artists got during the golden age of illustration. A lot of great illustrators were associated with PAFA. High modernism, the rigid doctrine of modernism, dealt a hard blow to that kind of art program (literally\u2013during the \u201960s people were smashing the statues in PAFA\u2019s cast hall) and there really aren\u2019t many places outside of PAFA where you can get that education anymore.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>So I went to PAFA and for the first year I was painting sort of by default. I love painting, but it wasn\u2019t enough. I spent a whole year on one painting and it was only marginally successful and by the time it was done I had realized: this is ridiculous, I want to tell stories, I want to do it with words and pictures, I want to make comics.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>GGR: Did that result in some struggles and clashes with your professors?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>K<\/strong>: It did. Students on the whole were receptive\u2013undergrads in particular thought it was awesome, so the future is safe for comics and we should all feel good about that. And among the faculty, Ren\u00e9e Foulks and Dr. Kevin Richards were incredibly supportive from the very beginning and the piece was far better for their contributions than it would\u2019ve been otherwise\u2013without them it probably wouldn\u2019t even have happened. It was during one of Kevin\u2019s lectures that I first got the idea for\u00a0<em>No One Is Safe<\/em>. And the curators of contemporary art at the PAFA museum, which has a loose association with the school, bought it from me, and it\u2019s in the permanent collection now.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>My final critique turned into an argument between faculty who thought it was no good\u2013I had one guy say to me, \u201cIf I were you, I would walk away from this\u201d\u2013and faculty who liked it (at least in theory; a lot of them hadn\u2019t read it). And a visiting artist who saw\u00a0<em>No One Is Safe<\/em>\u00a0half-finished got really excited about it, and described it to some of his colleagues, and later reported back to me, in innocent shock and confusion, that they had sneered at the very idea.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>There\u2019s an antipathy in the traditional fine arts (painting and sculpture) to work that is infinitely reproducible, and it\u2019s well-established and dates back to the Industrial Revolution, and if you want to know more about that you can read Walter Benjamin, who was much smarter than me and explains it better. At PAFA I was occasionally made aware of that; once I brought up Mike Diana in a class and somebody said, \u201cIf he didn\u2019t want to go to jail he shouldn\u2019t have made copies of his work.\u201d So the fine arts find comics problematic in the first place. But that wasn\u2019t what was at issue with<em>No One Is Safe,<\/em>\u00a0I don\u2019t think; I didn\u2019t even start thinking about reproducibility until I was halfway done. It was a one-of-a-kind thing destined for a gallery wall, just like a painting.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>It might have had to do with communication, specifically how much communication I was attempting. A faculty member told me, \u201cWhen people go into an art gallery, they don\u2019t expect to have to read.\u201d Jenny Holzer suggests otherwise, but there\u2019s resistance to the idea that written words can be visual art. More than that, some people in the fine arts really disdain the idea of\u00a0<em>direct<\/em>\u00a0communication. Your work is supposed to mean something but you\u2019re supposed to keep the meaning coded, you have to express yourself elliptically. There\u2019s some snobbery at the base of it, the refusal to allow\u00a0<em>just anyone<\/em>\u00a0to understand your art and the rejection of work that has broad public appeal. That doesn\u2019t mean that artists are snobs, it means that fine art as a form suffers from a status anxiety which dates back to the French Revolution. \u201cArt for art\u2019s sake\u201d came about in response to an existential crisis which was never really solved.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Greil Marcus once wrote that in Heartfield\u2019s work Hitler, Goering et al. \u201cwere not art subjects\u2026 this was real speech about real things that happened to real people.\u201d That was what I wanted: I didn\u2019t want to make art, I wanted to speak. The Ohio National Guard killed Bill Schroeder and the U.S. Army gave my father cancer and I had no interest in putting veils over anything.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>GGR: How did your dad help in the writing of <em>No One is Safe<\/em>?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/326\/2013\/05\/Kent_State_massacre.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft size-thumbnail wp-image-558\" title=\"Kent_State_massacre\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/326\/2013\/05\/Kent_State_massacre-150x150.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"150\" height=\"150\"><\/a><strong>K:<\/strong> Dad was very interested in the project from the beginning. He liked to tell that story, not because it felt good to relive that weekend but probably because he liked to educate people, and a lot of people, even from my parents\u2019 generation, are uninformed or misinformed about what exactly happened at Kent. I asked him to go up to Kent with me and give me the historical tour because he\u2019d already done that for me once before, when I was an undergrad. I don\u2019t think there was any specific occasion that prompted it, we just went up and visited the campus, and for years after I thought, \u201cGosh, I wish I had a recording of that,\u201d so, later, working on this art piece kind of gave me an excuse to do something that I\u2019d been wanting to do for ages. We all went up, Mom and Dad and my husband and me. It was May 29, 2010. The tour lasted for about two and a half hours, and that was mostly him talking and me interjecting with questions.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>It took a long time to transcribe the recordings but once I had the transcript, which was done by midsummer, I didn\u2019t ask for a lot of input from him. I didn\u2019t ever show him the script. At a certain point I had to kind of struggle with the idea that he\u00a0<em>would<\/em>\u00a0see it when it was done, because of how much emotion was going into it, from my end. We didn\u2019t talk about our feelings a lot. I never questioned that he loved me or that he was proud of me but we didn\u2019t talk about it.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>People always assume that it was his sickness that prompted me to take on the whole project but it wasn\u2019t. I just wanted to tell a story on a wall, and that was the best story I\u2019d ever heard. I didn\u2019t know he was sick until late September of that year, so I\u2019d already been seriously engaged with\u00a0<em>No One Is Safe<\/em>\u00a0for four months at that point. By the time the piece was done he\u2019d had surgery and chemo and we\u2019d been told he was cancer-free. When he came to my thesis show where\u00a0<em>No One Is Safe<\/em>\u00a0premiered he was in really good shape, compared to what happened later.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>GGR: How did your historical research into the Kent State shooting interact with your storytelling and art work?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>K:<\/strong> When I started doing the visual research, I started with the photos on the Kent State library website, and one of the first things I found was a picture of a crowd of students with a guy in the background who could have been my dad, a tall guy with glasses and a mustache. So I sent him the picture and he immediately knew it was him, because he recognized other people in the picture who were friends of his. So that\u2019s the photograph that I drew at the beginning and end of\u00a0<em>No One Is Safe.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>When it came to historical research, the narrative of what happened when, I didn\u2019t have to really strain myself because I wasn\u2019t trying to write a comprehensive history with all perspectives represented. I was strictly working from my father\u2019s point of view. I probably just assumed that everything he said was true, because of the kind of person he was, but in the end I found outside corroboration of almost all the details of his story. I did strain myself on the visual research. There was a moral dimension to how I drew these things; if you draw a few Guardsmen surrounded by a thousand angry students with rocks in their hands, you\u2019re telling a different story than if you draw a whole battalion of Guardsmen advancing on a small crowd of defenseless kids. I studied photographs very closely, everything I could find. Photographs are never going to tell you all of the truth, but several hundred photographs from a half-dozen different cameras are probably going to converge on it.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>GGR: How did your anger towards the idea of death and possible anger towards God influence No One is Safe?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>K:<\/strong> If you\u2019d asked me that two years ago, I would\u2019ve said that God didn\u2019t have anything to do with it. I would\u2019ve used words like \u201cthe physical conditions of the universe,\u201d time, death, etc. Until very recently I was calling myself an atheist. But I think at a deep level I\u2019m\u00a0<em>not,<\/em>\u00a0because here\u2019s the thing: I\u2019m not angry that the Easter Bunny doesn\u2019t exist. I am very angry that God doesn\u2019t exist, and that\u2019s a logical contradiction, it doesn\u2019t make sense. Towards the end of\u00a0<em>No One Is Saf<\/em>e I say, \u201cDeath is no fucking friend of mine,\u201d but if I\u2019m really going to be honest with myself, I have to admit that when I say death, God is what I mean.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Obviously this is a personal struggle and I\u2019m not out to start arguments or insult anybody. My father was a sort of Catholic <a href='https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/library\/buddhism' target='_blank'>Buddhist<\/a>, which may be a contradiction in terms but he very definitely believed in God. But if we\u2019re going to talk about my father\u2013we\u2019re talking about a man who wanted to serve his country, because that was what he believed was right. That was literally the only thing he wanted out of life, to render service. In exchange for that he got to die, slowly, without dignity, in excruciating pain. He was in great shape, he kept to a healthy diet, he never smoked, he didn\u2019t drink, he had longevity in his family, and he should have had 30 more years. How am I supposed to live with that? People talk about \u201ccoming to terms\u201d with loss. I don\u2019t\u00a0<em>want<\/em>\u00a0to come to terms with it.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>When he told me over the phone that he had cancer\u2013with lots of reassurances that it had been caught very early and his was an abnormal case and the numbers I\u2019d find if I googled cholangiocarcinoma didn\u2019t mean anything\u2013I thought, \u201cWell, I can put this in the piece,\u201d meaning\u00a0<em>No One Is Safe,<\/em>\u00a0which didn\u2019t have that title yet. And then I thought what a hideous excuse for a human being I was to be thinking about art at a time like that. Months later, when the piece was almost done, I told my friend Brian Spies, an amazing artist who went to school with me at PAFA, about that sequence of thoughts, and Brian said: \u201cIf you were a doctor, you\u2019d cure cancer. You\u2019re an artist. This is what you do.\u201d<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I\u2019m writing this from New Orleans, the land of dreams and nightmares. I\u2019m going to be posting about my time here later in the week. In the meantime, allow me to introduce you to an amazing artist and writer, Katherine Wirick. A few weeks ago, I attended S.P.A.C.E. con, an Indie Comic-Con convention. 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