{"id":20369,"date":"2014-12-12T06:00:25","date_gmt":"2014-12-12T11:00:25","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/admin.patheos.com\/blogs\/geneveith\/?p=20369"},"modified":"2014-12-11T19:55:23","modified_gmt":"2014-12-12T00:55:23","slug":"the-god-of-multiple-infinities","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/geneveith\/2014\/12\/the-god-of-multiple-infinities\/","title":{"rendered":"The God of multiple infinities"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p>There are an infinite number of numbers.\u00a0 But there are also an infinite number of numbers between any two numbers!\u00a0 In fact, there are <em>more<\/em> numbers between numbers than there are countable numbers, even though both are infinite!\u00a0 (Mind blown yet?)\u00a0 George Cantor, the father of Set Theory and a devout Christian, proved that.\u00a0 Joel Bezaire shows what the concept of \u201cmultiple infinities\u201d can do to our sense of the infinity of God.<!--more--><\/p>\n<p>From Joel Bezaire, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.christianitytoday.com\/behemoth\/2014\/issue-11\/how-infinitely-big-is-god.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">How Infinitely Big Is God? | The Behemoth<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Cantor classified the set of all counting numbers (1, 2, 3, 4 . . .) as an infinite set. There\u2019s no end to that list; there are countless counting numbers. This is a widely accepted fact about counting numbers, and was generally accepted at the time.<\/p>\n<p>But when Cantor looked at the set of all real numbers (all the counting numbers and all the negative numbers and all the decimals and fractions between those positive and negative numbers), he concluded that real numbers were \u201cmore numerous\u201d than counting numbers.<\/p>\n<div id=\"premium-content\">\n<p>Did you catch the problem? If the set of counting numbers is never-ending\u2014that is, infinite in size\u2014how can another set contain more numbers than that? The basic assumption had been that all infinite sets contained the same innumerable quantity of objects.<\/p>\n<p>Cantor was not merely making a guess or assumption; he offered a mathematical proof that there exist an \u201cinfinity of infinities.\u201d That is, there are more infinities than we can count. . . .<\/p>\n<p class=\"text\">The response from the Christian community was no different [from other mathematical critics]: This idea of \u201cmultiple infinities\u201d smacked of relativism and pluralism, the great enemies of the day\u2019s orthodoxy.<\/p>\n<p class=\"text\">Today, many Christians still look askance at Cantor\u2019s discoveries. A popular homeschool textbook sponsored by a prominent Christian university proudly claims that its math curriculum \u201cprovides attractive, legible, and workable traditional mathematics texts that are not burdened with modern theories such as Set Theory.\u201d Well, then.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0What if instead of threatening our theology, Cantor\u2019s discovery of multiple infinities actually enhanced our understanding of God?<\/p>\n<p class=\"text\">\u00a0A number of biblical verses use spatial or numerical metaphors to help us grasp the infinity of grace as well as of God himself. Like, \u201c[A]s far as the east is from the west, so far has he removed our transgressions from us\u201d (Ps. 103:12). How far is the east from the west exactly? Sounds like infinity to me. \u201c\u2018I am the Alpha and the Omega,\u2019 says the Lord God, \u2018who is, and who was, and who is to come\u2019\u201d (Rev. 1:8). When did God \u201cbegin\u201d? How long is eternity? What is time like for God? Infinity seems like a part of the answer to each of these questions.<\/p>\n<p class=\"text\">\u00a0But there is one verse for which Set Theory seems especially apt: \u201cAre not two sparrows sold for a penny? Yet not one of them will fall to the ground outside your Father\u2019s care. And even the very hairs of your head are all numbered. So don\u2019t be afraid; you are worth more than many sparrows\u201d (Matt. 10:29\u201331).<\/p>\n<p class=\"text\">\u00a0When most of us think of \u201cinfinity,\u201d we think of numbers climbing toward some enormous, unreachable total. But again, note Cantor\u2019s discovery. The set of real numbers is not a larger infinite because those numbers go \u201cfarther into infinity.\u201d It\u2019s the spaces between the counting numbers that give the set of real numbers its size. It\u2019s in the minute detail, the countless rational and irrational numbers squeezed between each other and between the counting numbers: The square root of two, \u20131\/3, Pi. Cantor demonstrated that there are more real numbers between zero and one than there are counting numbers between one and infinity.<\/p>\n<p class=\"text\">\u00a0Similarly, God\u2019s infinitude is not found only in his massive, eternal, overwhelming presence, but in every minute detail of life, every crack and crevice of the universe. So much so that he knows the number of hairs on our head and grains of sand on the beach, and he counts every star in the heavens, each of which\u2014by the way\u2014he also knows by name (Ps. 147:4).<\/p>\n<p class=\"text\">\u00a0God is not only an infinitely distant and big God, but also infinitely present in the smallest details.<\/p>\n<p class=\"text\">One other verse worth noting: \u201cOh, the depth of the riches of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable his judgments, and his paths beyond tracing out!\u201d (Rom. 11:33). Cantor, himself a devout Christian, believed that he was called to reveal Set Theory to the world, and that it at least suggested the reality of God. He wrote, \u201cThere is no doubt that we cannot do without variable quantities in the sense of the potential infinite. But from this very fact, the necessity of the <span class=\"citation\">actual infinite<\/span> can be demonstrated\u201d (emphasis added).<\/p>\n<p class=\"text\">\u00a0No one argues that Set Theory proves God\u2019s existence or anything about his character. But those with eyes of faith nonetheless see a reflection of God in it, even as the theory and God leave us finally speechless: His ways are even more inscrutable than Set Theory. In the face of such mystery, I often feel compelled to simply offer praise.<\/p>\n\n<\/div>\n<\/blockquote><\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>There are an infinite number of numbers.\u00a0 But there are also an infinite number of numbers between any two numbers!\u00a0 In fact, there are more numbers between numbers than there are countable numbers, even though both are infinite!\u00a0 (Mind blown yet?)\u00a0 George Cantor, the father of Set Theory and a devout Christian, proved that.\u00a0 Joel [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1281,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[33,47],"tags":[3491,3493,2898,1401,3492],"class_list":["post-20369","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-nature","category-theology","tag-attributes-of-god","tag-georg-cantor","tag-infinity","tag-mathematics","tag-set-theory"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v21.1 - 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