{"id":34205,"date":"2018-05-22T06:00:30","date_gmt":"2018-05-22T10:00:30","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/admin.patheos.com\/blogs\/geneveith\/?p=34205"},"modified":"2018-05-21T16:33:56","modified_gmt":"2018-05-21T20:33:56","slug":"the-evangelical-church-as-the-catholic-church-purged-of-certain-heresies-abuses","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/geneveith\/2018\/05\/the-evangelical-church-as-the-catholic-church-purged-of-certain-heresies-abuses\/","title":{"rendered":"&#8220;The Evangelical Church&#8221; as the &#8220;Catholic Church Purged of Certain Heresies &#038; Abuses&#8221;"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/305\/2018\/05\/Herman_Sasse-e1526934567262.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-34217\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/305\/2018\/05\/Herman_Sasse-e1526934567262.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"470\" height=\"455\"><\/a><\/p>\n<p>I quite randomly stumbled upon this quotation from Lutheran theologian Hermann Sasse*, the anti-Nazi activist who settled in Australia.\u00a0 Paul McCain nailed it to the door at <em>First Things<\/em> eight years ago.<\/p>\n<p><em>Nota bene<\/em>:\u00a0 By \u201cevangelical,\u201d Sasse is using the European terminology for what we would call <em>Lutheran<\/em>.\u00a0 See the explanation at <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/geneveith\/2018\/04\/give-the-word-evangelical-back-to-the-lutherans\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">this post.<\/a><\/p>\n<p>From Hermann Sasse, <a href=\"https:\/\/amzn.to\/2LiOXic\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Here We Stand,<\/a>\u00a0pp. 110-111:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\u201cLutheran theology differs from Reformed theology in that it lays great emphasis on the fact that the evangelical church is none other than the medieval Catholic Church purged of certain heresies and abuses. The Lutheran theologian acknowledges that he belongs to the same visible church to which Thomas Aquinas and Bernard of Clairvaux, Augustine and Tertullian, Athanasius and Ireneaus once belonged. The orthodox evangelical church is the legitimate continuation of the medieval Catholic Church, not the church of the Council of Trent and the [First] Vatican Council which renounced evangelical truth when it rejected the Reformation. For the orthodox evangelical church is really identical with the orthodox Catholic Church of all times. And just as the very nature of the Reformed Church emphasizes its strong opposition to the medieval church, so the very nature of the Lutheran Church requires it to go to the farthest possible limit in its insistence on its solidarity and identity with the Catholic Church. It was no mere ecclesiastico-political diplomacy which dictated the emphatic assertion in the Augsburg Confession that the teachings of the Evangelicals were identical with those of the orthodox Catholic Church of all ages, and no more was it romanticism or false conservatism which made our church anxious to retain as much of the old canonical law as possible, and to cling tenaciously to the old forms of worship.\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<div id=\"premium-content\">\nAmong the \u201cheresies and abuses,\u201d of course, are the papacy, salvation by our merit, Purgatory, Mariolatry, prayer to the saints, etc., etc., which Roman Catholics consider to be essential.\u00a0 But \u201cevangelicals\u201d consider them false teachings that need to be \u201cpurged\u201d in order to make manifest what is essential; namely, the Gospel of Christ and everything that it implies.\u00a0 The gates of Hell cannot prevail against the Church built on that foundation, and there has never been a time on earth when that faith has been extinguished.\n<p>This quotation suggests a mindset about how one thinks of the church as a whole.\u00a0 Is the evangelical\/Lutheran church just one denomination among many, or is it a manifestation of the universal church in all of its unity and diversity?\u00a0 When we come across a \u201cCatholic\u201d author, such as Athanasius or Augustine or Chesterton, who has something helpful to say, must we dismiss them for their Catholicism, or can we claim them as our own?<\/p>\n<p>Can other non-Lutheran \u201cevangelicals\u201d think of the church in a similar way?<\/p>\n<p>By the way, Trevor Sutton and I get into this way of looking at the church in our book <a href=\"https:\/\/amzn.to\/2s1zkDc\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Authentic Christianity:\u00a0 How Lutheran Theology Speaks to a Postmodern World.<\/a><\/p>\n<p>*For Hermann Sasse, the <a href=\"https:\/\/de.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Hermann_Sasse\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">German Wikipedia<\/a> has a much more thorough account of him, which Google will translate for you, than the <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Hermann_Sasse\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">American version.<\/a>\u00a0 Someone should fix that, if only by translating the German entry for America\u2019s Wikipedia.<\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" style=\"width: 120px; height: 240px;\" src=\"\/\/ws-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/widgets\/q?ServiceVersion=20070822&amp;OneJS=1&amp;Operation=GetAdHtml&amp;MarketPlace=US&amp;source=ss&amp;ref=as_ss_li_til&amp;ad_type=product_link&amp;tracking_id=cranach00-20&amp;marketplace=amazon&amp;region=US&amp;placement=B000O2IDTO&amp;asins=B000O2IDTO&amp;linkId=36facc404a6b2850ea710ee84c2e0f16&amp;show_border=true&amp;link_opens_in_new_window=true\" width=\"300\" height=\"150\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" style=\"width: 120px; height: 240px;\" src=\"\/\/ws-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/widgets\/q?ServiceVersion=20070822&amp;OneJS=1&amp;Operation=GetAdHtml&amp;MarketPlace=US&amp;source=ss&amp;ref=as_ss_li_til&amp;ad_type=product_link&amp;tracking_id=cranach00-20&amp;marketplace=amazon&amp;region=US&amp;placement=0758658303&amp;asins=0758658303&amp;linkId=cd37b35add907a51e8271788073c9d73&amp;show_border=true&amp;link_opens_in_new_window=true\" width=\"300\" height=\"150\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><em>Photo:\u00a0 Hermann Sasse, 1937 by Unknown \u2013 Hermann Sasse: Hvad er luthersk kristendom? Oslo 1937., Public Domain, https:\/\/commons.wikimedia.org\/w\/index.php?curid=14954314<\/em><\/p><\/div>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I quite randomly stumbled upon this quotation from Lutheran theologian Hermann Sasse*, the anti-Nazi activist who settled in Australia.\u00a0 Paul McCain nailed it to the door at First Things eight years ago. Nota bene:\u00a0 By \u201cevangelical,\u201d Sasse is using the European terminology for what we would call Lutheran.\u00a0 See the explanation at this post. 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