{"id":66594,"date":"2023-05-05T06:00:01","date_gmt":"2023-05-05T10:00:01","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/geneveith\/?p=66594"},"modified":"2023-05-05T08:40:40","modified_gmt":"2023-05-05T12:40:40","slug":"party-crashing","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/geneveith\/2023\/05\/party-crashing\/","title":{"rendered":"Party Crashing"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p style=\"text-align: center;\" data-type=\"paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/305\/2023\/05\/5091167800_671f589d1e_c-scaled.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-66639\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/305\/2023\/05\/5091167800_671f589d1e_c-scaled.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"526\" height=\"768\"><\/a><\/p>\n<p data-type=\"paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/nypost.com\/2023\/04\/25\/biden-beats-trump-big-loses-to-desantis-2024-polls\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Polls show<\/a> that Biden would beat Trump.\u00a0 But DeSantis would beat Biden.\u00a0 But Trump is leading DeSantis in the primaries by a large margin.<\/p>\n<p data-type=\"paragraph\">\u00a0 <a href=\"https:\/\/www.nbcnews.com\/politics\/2024-election\/nbc-news-poll-nearly-70-gop-voters-stand-trump-indictment-investigatio-rcna80917\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Also<\/a>, 70% of Americans don\u2019t want Biden to even run, including 51% of his own party.\u00a0 And 60% of Americans don\u2019t want Trump to run.\u00a0 Nevertheless, they are, and it looks like the 2024 presidential race will be a rematch of 2020, probably with the same result.<\/p>\n<div id=\"premium-content\">\n<p data-type=\"paragraph\">We have a two-party system that determines what candidates we get to vote for.\u00a0 Those parties have become fundamental to our government, even though political parties are never mentioned in our Constitution and the Father of our country and first president, George Washington, warned against them.<\/p>\n<p data-type=\"paragraph\">While some people today are urging the repeal of the Electoral College, we might consider returning it to its original role.\u00a0 The Constitutional way of picking the president was for citizens of the states to elect people entrusted with the task of finding the best person for the job.<\/p>\n<p data-type=\"paragraph\">Currently, the two parties put up their candidate as determined by winning the state-by-state party primaries.\u00a0 But Americans who are not members of either party <em>have no say at all<\/em> in who the candidates will be.\u00a0 And, <a href=\"https:\/\/news.gallup.com\/poll\/388781\/political-party-preferences-shifted-greatly-during-2021.aspx#:~:text=Overall%20in%202021%2C%20an%20average,Republicans%20and%2042%25%20as%20independents.\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">it turns out<\/a>, 42% of Americans are Independents, members of neither party.\u00a0 Democrats comprise only 29% of the population and Republicans comprise only 27%.<\/p>\n<p data-type=\"paragraph\">So no wonder our politics are so dysfunctional and out of synch.<\/p>\n<p data-type=\"paragraph\">Peggy Noonan discusses the strange phenomenon that Americans are gearing up for a contest that the majority of them don\u2019t want and suggests that now might be a good time for a Third Party candidate to emerge.\u00a0 Part of the problem with that, of course, is that the two parties so control the states that it is very difficult for alternative parties to even get on the ballot.\u00a0 But the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.action.nolabels.org\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">No Labels<\/a> movement plans to have enough signed petitions to get on the ballot in every state, which it will use for the benefit of <a href=\"https:\/\/www.action.nolabels.org\/articles\/9-labels-2024-insurance-project-faq\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">independent \u201cUnity\u201d candidates<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p data-type=\"paragraph\">From Peggy Noonan in the <em>Wall Street Journal<\/em> (behind a paywall), <a href=\"https:\/\/www.wsj.com\/articles\/biden-vs-trump-dont-be-so-sure-rfk-third-party-rematch-2024-election-independents-bea741f2\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Biden vs. Trump in 2024?\u00a0 Don\u2019t Be So Sure<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p class=\"css-k3zb6l-Paragraph e1e4oisd0\" data-type=\"paragraph\">A third party, if it comes, could have real and surprising power in this cycle. I am the only person I know who thinks this but, again, look at peoples\u2019 faces when you say it will be Trump or Biden.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-k3zb6l-Paragraph e1e4oisd0\" data-type=\"paragraph\">Independents now outnumber members of each party. No hunger for a third-party effort is discernible in the polls. So the effort would have to blow people out of their comfortable trenches and make them want to go over the top to seize new ground. It would have to be something centrists, by their nature, aren\u2019t: dramatic. The people who would lead such an effort worry about whether or not they\u2019d wind up as spoilers for the Democrats. You could argue as well it might spoil things for the Republicans.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-k3zb6l-Paragraph e1e4oisd0\" data-type=\"paragraph\">They should be thinking: We are past the moment for such questions. If you think the country is in trouble and needs another slate of candidates,\u00a0<em class=\"css-i6hrxa-Italic e1ofiv6m0\" data-type=\"emphasis\">do\u00a0<\/em>it. No ambivalence, no guilt about spoiling it for the lesser of evils. If you\u2019re serious, go for it. Look at the other two guys as spoilers.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-k3zb6l-Paragraph e1e4oisd0\" data-type=\"paragraph\">A third party would have to have compelling candidates for president and vice president. That would be hard. I am not certain a third party is desirable. But I don\u2019t think it\u2019s impossible.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-k3zb6l-Paragraph e1e4oisd0\" data-type=\"paragraph\">Third-party enthusiasts tend to be moderate, sober-minded. Such people are almost by definition not swept by the romance of history. But we are living in a prolonged crazy time in American politics. Anything can happen now.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-k3zb6l-Paragraph e1e4oisd0\" data-type=\"paragraph\">Really, anything. I wonder if they know it.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p data-type=\"paragraph\">It is surely significant that, though nations around the world have adopted representative democracies inspired by the United States, hardly any of them have a two party system like we do.\u00a0 Rather, they have adopted parliamentary democracies, with many parties, in which voters can find exactly the shade of opinion that they agree with, whereupon coalitions of the various parties have to be built\u00a0 in order to \u201cform a government,\u201d with the leader of the biggest party made the nation\u2019s Chief Executive.<\/p>\n<p data-type=\"paragraph\">That still embodies the \u201cparty spirit\u201d that Washington warned against, and I\u2019m not sure having a three party system would be much of an improvement over having just two.\u00a0 Of course, what Noonan is calling for is not so much a third party\u2013there are already a number of small parties that are on some ballots, such as the Greens, the National, and the Libertarians\u2013as a third major <em>candidate<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p data-type=\"paragraph\">It has been said that the United States has already elected a third party candidate, namely, Donald Trump, who pulled that off by taking over one of the two established parties.\u00a0 Indeed, Trump opposed and was opposed by the Republican party establishment but won its primary and then the general election anyway.<\/p>\n<p data-type=\"paragraph\">So who would be a good third candidate this time?<\/p>\n<p data-type=\"paragraph\">Some celebrity like Oprah or the Rock?\u00a0 A bridge candidate like Robert Kennedy, Jr., who has the Democratic pedigree but the anti-vax, COVID-skeptic <em>bona fides<\/em> to attract Republicans, plus an anti-corporate stance that members of both parties can agree on?\u00a0 A centrist, like Joe Manchin?<\/p>\n<p data-type=\"paragraph\">I have heard people say that they are sick of all of the celebrity and ideology.\u00a0 What they crave, what they think we need, is not just another celebrity, nor an embodiment of some cause, but simply someone who is competent\u2013someone who can run the executive branch, get the parts of the government to work together, and be a steady hand in the problems that we face.<\/p>\n<p data-type=\"paragraph\">Or do we want ideology after all, someone with the ideas we most agree with?\u00a0 If so, given the multiple schools of progressivism and conservatism, don\u2019t we need more parties to accommodate those ideas?<\/p>\n<p data-type=\"paragraph\">Perhaps the issues we must deal with today\u2013abortion, transgenderism, woke progressivism, the economy, threats of war\u2013do not admit compromise and shades of grey.\u00a0 There are only two sides, and one of them must prevail over the other.\u00a0 In that case, maybe two parties in polar opposition may be the best we can do.<\/p>\n<p data-type=\"paragraph\">What do you think?\u00a0 I myself am open to persuasion.<\/p>\n<p data-type=\"paragraph\">UPDATE:\u00a0 <a href=\"https:\/\/www.goodreads.com\/quotes\/462873-however-political-parties-may-now-and-then-answer-popular-ends\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Here<\/a> is what George Washington said on the subject of political parties, from his Farewell Address:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p class=\"quoteText\">\u201cHowever [political parties] may now and then answer popular ends, they are likely in the course of time and things, to become potent engines, by which cunning, ambitious, and unprincipled men will be enabled to subvert the power of the people and to usurp for themselves the reins of government, destroying afterwards the very engines which have lifted them to unjust dominion.\u201d<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p data-type=\"paragraph\">Was he wrong?<\/p>\n<p data-type=\"paragraph\">\n<\/p><p data-type=\"paragraph\"><em>Illustration:\u00a0 \u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/www.flickr.com\/photos\/outtacontext\/5091167800\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Americans Suffer As Our Two Party System Stagnates!<\/a>\u201d by outtacontext via Flickr,\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/creativecommons.org\/licenses\/by-nc-nd\/2.0\/legalcode\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">CC 2.0<\/a>.\u00a0\u00a0<\/em><\/p>\n<div class=\"ad-portal\">\n<div class=\"uds-ad-container e1pa4qj41 css-1dtql0k-Box-Container e105m3c31\" data-testid=\"ad-container\">\n<blockquote>\n<div class=\"css-eek6fr\"><\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The U.S. has a two-party system, in which the 29% of Democrats and the 27% of Republicans choose what candidates run for office. 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