{"id":84026,"date":"2025-07-16T06:00:48","date_gmt":"2025-07-16T10:00:48","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/geneveith\/?p=84026"},"modified":"2025-07-10T21:05:44","modified_gmt":"2025-07-11T01:05:44","slug":"on-protestant-denominations","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/geneveith\/2025\/07\/on-protestant-denominations\/","title":{"rendered":"On Protestant Denominations"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/305\/2025\/07\/1024px-Major_Divisions_Within_Christianity.png\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-84086\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/305\/2025\/07\/1024px-Major_Divisions_Within_Christianity.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1024\" height=\"580\"><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Denominations are being attacked from both a Catholic and a Protestant direction.<\/p>\n<p>Many Catholics say there are thousands of Protestant denominations, with individual Christians all claiming the right to hold whatever beliefs they want and to just start their own churches, as opposed to the one true Church of Rome.\u00a0 Though <a href=\"https:\/\/www.catholic.com\/audio\/cot\/4-things-catholics-need-to-stop-saying-to-protestants\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">thoughtful Catholics<\/a> keep saying this is not exactly true.<\/p>\n<p>But Protestants are also attacking denominations, insisting that each denomination is too much like the Church of Rome. They claim that individual Christians should have the right to hold whatever beliefs they want and should be able to just start their own churches.<\/p>\n<div id=\"premium-content\">\n<p>OK, this isn\u2019t exactly true either. Nondenominational churches do tend to hold to general evangelical beliefs.\u00a0 While individuals can hold a wide range of opinions on certain issues, others are defined by the congregation\u2019s own statement of faith.\u00a0 Nondenominationalism is not so much grounded in different theologies but in a freedom from organizational structures.\u00a0 Each congregation is independent and unconnected formally to any larger ecclesiastical structure or association of churches.\u00a0 In this, nondenominational churches simply have a congregational church polity, which has a long pedigree in Protestant history.<\/p>\n<p>It is, however, true that a common pattern for nondenominational churches is for a young man to graduate from a nondenominational seminary or Bible college and then just go out and start a church.\u00a0 He is under no ecclesiastical supervision.\u00a0 Freed from \u201cdenominational bureaucracy,\u201d as he will call it, he is on his own.\u00a0 If he is successful in the religious marketplace, he might move from a rented auditorium to build a \u201ccampus\u201d of his own.\u00a0 He is a religious entrepreneur.<\/p>\n<p>Nondenominational churches are now, paradoxically, the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.graphsaboutreligion.com\/p\/the-future-of-american-christianity\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">largest<\/a> Protestant denomination.\u00a0 \u00a0That is, according to the probably outdated 2020 Religious Census, there are more members of non-denominational congregations, some 21 million, than any other Protestant church body.\u00a0 (Baptists come in next at 17.6 million; then Methodists at 8 million; then ELCA Lutherans at 3.1 million; then <a href='https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/library\/pentecostal' target='_blank'>Assemblies of God<\/a> at 3.09 million; then the National Missionary Baptists at 2.4 million; then, coming in seventh, the Lutheran Church Missouri Synod at 1.8 million.)<\/p>\n<p>In this post, I\u2019d like to address both the Catholic contention that there are too many denominations and the Protestant contention that we don\u2019t need denominations at all.<\/p>\n<p>I came across this brief video (only 3 minutes) with useful subtitles from <a href=\"https:\/\/www.jordanbcooper.com\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Jordan Cooper<\/a>:, a pastor and theologian with the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.taalc.org\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">American Association of Lutheran Churches<\/a>, which which the LCMS is in fellowship.\u00a0 He points out that there are not all that many different kinds of Protestants:<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" style=\"border: none; overflow: hidden;\" src=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/plugins\/video.php?height=476&amp;href=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Freel%2F1272434044457058%2F&amp;show_text=false&amp;width=267&amp;t=0\" width=\"267\" height=\"476\" frameborder=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\" allowfullscreen=\"allowfullscreen\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p>First, he defines Protestants those who\u00a0 believe in <em>sola scriptura<\/em>.\u00a0 Those who don\u2019t believe in the authority of Scripture, such as Mainline Liberal Protestants, are not really Protestants, according to him.\u00a0 He says that there are three major theological traditions within Protestantism:\u00a0 (1)\u00a0 Lutheran (2) Reformed (3) Anglican.<\/p>\n<p>These can have different offshoots\u2013John Wesley\u2019s Methodism grew out of Anglicanism; the Reformed gave us various kinds of Presbyterians and, by his reckoning, Baptists\u2013but these are the main types of Protestantism.\u00a0 He said that one could identify a few more but didn\u2019t have time to get into those.<\/p>\n<p>I think we have to classify <a href='https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/library\/pentecostal' target='_blank'>Pentecostalism<\/a> as a major strain, since it is one of the largest global movements.\u00a0 Then there are the Anabaptists, from which came the \u201cpeace churches,\u201d such as the Mennonites and Amish.<\/p>\n<p>While the Reformed are alike in not being sacramental, there is a big difference between Calvinists and Arminians, with Baptists and other evangelicals being one or the other.<\/p>\n<p>I think Jordan\u2019s breakdown is helpful, but it isn\u2019t complete.\u00a0 And the classifications depend on what you emphasize:\u00a0 <em>sola scriptura<\/em>?\u00a0 beliefs about salvation? monergism or synergism?\u00a0 the relationship of faith and works?\u00a0 church government?\u00a0 worship? sacraments?<\/p>\n<p>I appreciate his point that there are only a few kinds of Protestantism, but there are more than he giving credit for.\u00a0 I think some of the offshoots constitute distinctly different belief systems.<\/p>\n<p>My breakdown would probably be (1) Lutheran (2) Reformed (3) Anglican (4) Evangelicals (5) Pentecostals (6) Anabaptist\/communitarians<\/p>\n<p>As for non-denominational Protestants, subscriber Steve Bauer alerted me to a\u00a0defense of denominations by Reformed pastor Eric Tonjes who wrote a post for <em>Mere Orthodoxy<\/em> entitled <a href=\"https:\/\/mereorthodoxy.com\/why-denominations-are-good-actually\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Why Denominations are Good, Actually<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>First, he observes that non-denominational congregations do not get rid of the differences between Christians:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>The broad traditions within Christianity exist because there are questions that are key to our life together as Christians which we disagree about. How should the church be structured and governed? How do we think about the special role of baptism and the Lord\u2019s Supper (and maybe other things too)? Who is a member of our church? How, broadly, do we understand Scripture\u2019s shape? Christians read the Bible and reach different conclusions about those issues, and it is very hard to agree to disagree about those things while still doing life together.<\/p>\n<p>Nondenominational churches inevitably have conclusions on these topics that place them in certain theological traditions. Indeed, it is a running joke in some circles that when a church says they are nondenominational, they\u2019re really saying they\u2019re either Baptist or charismatic and just trying to hide it. Such churches aren\u2019t more theologically inclusive; they\u2019re just less clear about their convictions.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>There are also positive reasons why Tonjes appreciates being a part of a denomination.\u00a0 He values the accountability he has as a pastor:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>I appreciate the fact that I\u2019m part of a denominational world where the term \u201cpastor\u201d means something deeper, something connected to the broader church. I was examined by the broader church. I was set apart in ordination by them. We, as churches, are in mutual submission to each other. And, most importantly, I am accountable to that broader church for what I do and say. If I err, I fully expect to be corrected, and if I go totally off the rails, they will make it so I\u2019m not a pastor anymore.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>A major argument for non-denominationalism is church unity.\u00a0 But, says\u00a0 Tonjes,\u00a0 \u201cThere is a real sense in which every nondenominational church is just a single-congregation denomination. We aren\u2019t decreasing divisions when they form; we are multiplying them.\u201d\u00a0 And he experiences a special sense of unity<\/p>\n<p>Tonjes cites other reasons to appreciate denominations:\u00a0 \u201cThey are wonderful spaces for cooperation in ministry and missions. They are deeply humbling structures, fighting back against the plague of celebrity pastors besetting churches. They are spaces of public witness.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>AN IMPORTANT NOTE:\u00a0 I realize that some of you readers belong to and are even pastors in nondenominational churches.\u00a0 This post defends denominations, but I mean no offense.\u00a0 I\u2019d be curious to learn how, in your nondenominational context, you deal with some of the issues raised here (e.g., accountability, theology, unity, etc.).\u00a0 Also, how do you see yourself fitting in with the rest of Protestantism and, indeed, Christendom?\u00a0 Are you really anti-institutional religion, as some pundits have said, or are you just Congregational?<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><em>Illustration:\u00a0 <a href=\"https:\/\/commons.wikimedia.org\/wiki\/File:Major_Divisions_Within_Christianity.png\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Major Branches within Christianity<\/a> by Noah Howard, CC BY-SA 4.0 &lt;https:\/\/creativecommons.org\/licenses\/by-sa\/4.0&gt;, via Wikimedia Commons<\/em><\/p>\n<p>[Here is another breakdown, including Catholicism and Orthodoxy, but giving only four major branches of Protestantism.]<\/p><\/div>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Denominations are being attacked from both a Catholic and a Protestant direction.  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