{"id":30,"date":"2011-04-05T13:44:05","date_gmt":"2011-04-05T13:44:05","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/godsgloriouslife.blog\/?p=30"},"modified":"2011-04-05T13:44:05","modified_gmt":"2011-04-05T13:44:05","slug":"universal-bell-2","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/gloriouslife\/2011\/04\/universal-bell-2\/","title":{"rendered":"UNIVERSAL BELL 2"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p>Let\u2019s suppose that we know all there is to know. In other words, let\u2019s pretend we have all knowledge of everything that is or could be. What would we do with all of that information? Make pronouncements? Start a blog? Write books explaining it all? Then again, if we all knew it all there would be no point.<\/p>\n<p>The fact that none of us knows it all is the reason some people who have expertise on some subjects and ideas about others write and teach.\u00a0 Pastor Rob Bell and many of my colleagues are writing about the subject of salvation from a Christian perspective. Doing this elicit\u2019s controversy. It should. Discussion should be offered. As a Wesleyan, I would say that the discussions should fit the parameters of \u201choly conferencing.\u201d Should we in doing so make a truly final statement regarding what we believe God will do with us after we die?<\/p>\n<p>Perhaps not. Making final statements never ended a controversy. I may proclaim the existence of Hell and final judgement for sins leading to eternal punishment. So what? I could line up a long list of other church teachers who agree with my position. I may argue that to deny Hell is to deny Heaven. It would not change anyone\u2019s mind who thought differently. The conviction of truth is not a matter of persuasive arguments. Nor is it a matter of fearing that something may be true.<\/p>\n<p>If I choose to practice love, I can only do so based on my knowledge of what God\u2019s love is and demands. If I choose merely to teach about love I can make any number of proclamations of what it means to be loving and hope to convict those who listen. It is likely the same result as teaching there is a place called Hell with eternal punishment in store for those who reject God\u2019s grace.\u00a0 I may not reject it. I may claim to accept God\u2019s grace for myself. And then, I may decide to do nothing else about it.<\/p>\n<p>The \u201cdoing nothing else about grace\u201d beyond saying the sinners prayer (which is not found in the New Testament or anywhere else in the Bible) is of major concern to people who hold the position of Pastor Rob. I agree with the concern. I do not agree with the position that God will save every person. It is an outrageous truth that there are many people who do evil for the sake of doing evil. When young Darth Vader tells his mentor that good and evil are merely a matter of perspective, Obi-Wan says, \u201cthen you are truly lost.\u201d The problem has never been does an otherwise good person go to Hell. The question is should an unrepentant evil person receive eternal life? Is that just? Or better yet, how can that be merciful? It is merely expecting God to be \u201cnice.\u201d \u00a0<\/p>\n<p>To conclude. I know many christian believers who do evil and consent to it. I know many other\u00a0christian believers\u00a0who do not do so. Perhaps we should all practice intercessory prayer and speak up for truth in the spirit of God\u2019s love more often.<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Let\u2019s suppose that we know all there is to know. In other words, let\u2019s pretend we have all knowledge of everything that is or could be. 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