{"id":42,"date":"2012-07-03T12:12:00","date_gmt":"2012-07-03T02:12:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/admin.patheos.com\/blogs\/hearthwitchdownunder\/2012\/07\/ethics-influencing-others.html"},"modified":"2018-01-24T13:33:30","modified_gmt":"2018-01-24T03:33:30","slug":"ethics-influencing-others","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/hearthwitchdownunder\/2012\/07\/ethics-influencing-others.html","title":{"rendered":"Ethics &#8211; Influencing Others"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><div class=\"separator\" style=\"clear: both; text-align: center;\"><a style=\"clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;\" href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/690\/3.bp.blogspot.com\/-5gDoL-nYvEc\/VwkJ7wG2KKI\/AAAAAAAA9e8\/6pVG1MGJu-gSwiUyrXCxpLh0xSrMeDuhA\/s1600\/title%20card%20-%20ethics%20influencing%20others.PNG\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" title=\"Ethics Influencing Others\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/690\/3.bp.blogspot.com\/-5gDoL-nYvEc\/VwkJ7wG2KKI\/AAAAAAAA9e8\/6pVG1MGJu-gSwiUyrXCxpLh0xSrMeDuhA\/s200\/title%20card%20-%20ethics%20influencing%20others.PNG\" alt=\"Ethics Morals\" width=\"200\" height=\"200\" border=\"0\"><\/a><\/div>\n<p>Ask a Witch to do a love spell and the majority of us will give the same or similar answer. \u00a0Usually the answer\u00a0begins\u00a0with NO! \u00a0No, because it is wrong to force another to feel something they would not normally feel. \u00a0No, because it won\u2019t work anyway, we cannot force such changes in others. No.<\/p>\n<p>People love to question these two answers. \u00a0If it isn\u2019t going to work anyway, why worry about the ethics of the situation? Why? Because it\u2019s the trying that matters, it\u2019s the intent that can harm us in the long run. \u00a0And then, some Witches do believe that such a spell can work.<\/p>\n<p>Well then, why are there love spells in every book available? Ever read one of those spells? The majority of the time, the love spells found in books and magazines are not the ones you find in movies and grand fantasies. \u00a0The love spells you usually find in books are those that bring love to you, make it easier for you to find love, so rather than forcing love on someone else, it attracts the natural love that does or will exist. \u00a0Other love spells are more about self-love, fixing our own hearts, making ourselves more open and more aware, of ourselves and then of others.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.blogger.com\/null\" name=\"more\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><\/a><br>\n<a name=\"more\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><\/a><\/p>\n<p>The reason for all of this is pretty simple on the surface. \u00a0Most Witches are introduced to the Craft through Wiccan style books, those that tell us of the Rede and therefore follow the Rede. \u00a0Harm none! \u00a0Though not all of us follow the Rede still some of us are influenced by the morals inherent within the Rede. \u00a0We follow such morals for a simple reason, it feels right to us. \u00a0Whilst I will harm others if necessary, still I find the very idea of dominating the mind, will, heart and soul of another to be absolutely abhorrent. \u00a0A forced love spell on another person would be exactly that, domination of someones will and heart. And, if it works, it is also a domination of their body, a form of rape if you look at all of the results.<\/p>\n<p>This is the best example we have of domination with the Craft, the strongest and it is the best because it is also the most sought after by the unknowing. \u00a0It does extend so much further, there is so much more that we must consider and in the end we walk a very fine line, within our own morals as well as the morals of others.<\/p>\n<p>What is generally considered wrong within magic? \u00a0Forcing anything on someone else, or from someone else. \u00a0A spell to get revenge on another by making them lose their love, lose their job, lose their wallet even. \u00a0A spell to give us what another has, so making them lose what they have. \u00a0A spell to transfer our problems onto another, give them our illness or our stress. \u00a0You could say that pretty much any spell that directly influences another, that is directly aimed at another is, in the eyes of the majority,\u00a0unethical\u00a0and immoral.<\/p>\n<p>How far can we take this though? \u00a0What quite a few fail to recognise is the opposite of all of this. \u00a0Yes, most of us can agree that it is not right to force these wrongs upon another, but what of the good things?<\/p>\n<p>What of a spell to help another gain a job? \u00a0What of a spell to heal another? \u00a0What of something like Reiki, hands on healing? \u00a0Can we use these to help other people? \u00a0Sure we can, if the recipient is willing, knowing and consents. \u00a0The problem here is we forget that consent is or should be necessary. \u00a0If you believe it is wrong to force the bad on people, then you should probably consider the ethics of forcing the good on them as well.<\/p>\n<p>I do know someone who works as a masseur, she will massage people and at the same time, all unknowing to her patients, she will perform Reiki healing on them. \u00a0It doesn\u2019t seem so bad really, she is simply healing peoples ills. \u00a0Against their will, without their knowledge. \u00a0Why is it so wrong? \u00a0There are several reasons. \u00a0Many people are against the idea of medical intervention being forced upon us, whether this is being not allowed to have an abortion, or being forced to have a surgery that is against our beliefs, or even just being forced to have a medication that we have no wish to take. \u00a0So how is using alternative medicine and healing on others, without their consent, any different to being forced within Western Medicine?<\/p>\n<p>What of the spiritual consequences of such things? \u00a0Some people are totally against things like Reiki, their religion says it is evil or wrong, to have Reiki used on them would be damaging to them on a religious and spiritual level. \u00a0If done to them without their even knowing about it, you may think that it would not affect them, but what if it is true that they can no longer connect with their deity or other higher power because the deity knows they are \u201ctainted\u201d?<\/p>\n<p>And then there are those who have adverse reactions to things like Reiki. \u00a0Some people have a type of allergic reaction to consensual use of Reiki, it damages them physically in some way. \u00a0I cannot imagine the affect it may have if the Reiki is used unknowingly on them. \u00a0They would have no idea how it happened and so have no idea how to fix the problem.<\/p>\n<p>So is healing someone without their knowledge, against their will a good thing? \u00a0When you consider the consequences, the damage that is possible? \u00a0And this can extend to far more than healing. \u00a0Anything you do to or for another person can have an adverse affect, if you do it to them without their knowledge or consent, then you could bear responsibility for any adverse affect that\u00a0occurs.<\/p>\n<p>Then there is the other line that we walk. \u00a0What of residual affect? What of those spells we do that are for our gain, not directly aimed at anyone else, but in the long run can still affect others? \u00a0We can do spells to help us get a job, but in doing so our gain of the job means someone else does not get the job. \u00a0So, we have adversely affected someone else. \u00a0Where do we draw the line?<\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s not an easy question and this is where we all have different answers. \u00a0Some Witches will say that because of such ideas they will do nothing that has physical world affects, they will only do internal spells and work. \u00a0Any spell that can heal\u00a0ourselves, open our minds or hearts, increase our knowledge or happiness, decrease our stress, anything that helps our own emotions, body, soul, heart and mind, these are okay. \u00a0But anything that affects things outside of ourselves is not okay.<\/p>\n<p>Others draw the line. \u00a0In anything we do in life there will be residual affects, with magic or without, when we get a job, someone else does not get that job. \u00a0It is a fact of life. \u00a0The line is simple, if the spell is aimed at yourself, then it is okay. \u00a0If it is in any way aimed at someone else, directly or indirectly, then it is not okay.<\/p>\n<p>This line is different from one person to the next of course. \u00a0Not all of us will agree on which spells are okay and which are not. \u00a0It isn\u2019t really important for us to all agree on such things. \u00a0It is only important for us to think about it and work out our own morals and ethics in such things. \u00a0I think, personally, that we all must draw our own line, whatever that line is. \u00a0We all need to look at the issues and thoughts above and figure out what we believe, what we agree with and what we can\u2019t let affect us and our practice. \u00a0We shouldn\u2019t just act without knowing and thinking through the consequences of our actions. Whatever\u00a0choice\u00a0you make, whatever line you draw, that is up to you. \u00a0Just make sure that you have a line.<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Ask a Witch to do a love spell and the majority of us will give the same or similar answer. \u00a0Usually the answer\u00a0begins\u00a0with NO! \u00a0No, because it is wrong to force another to feel something they would not normally feel. \u00a0No, because it won\u2019t work anyway, we cannot force such changes in others. No. People [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2764,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[18,20],"class_list":["post-42","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized","tag-debates","tag-opinion"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v21.1 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>Ethics - Influencing Others<\/title>\n<meta name=\"description\" content=\"Ask a Witch to do a love spell and the majority of us will give the same or similar answer. \u00a0Usually the answer\u00a0begins\u00a0with NO! \u00a0No, because it is wrong\" \/>\n<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"index, follow, max-snippet:-1, max-image-preview:large, max-video-preview:-1\" \/>\n<link rel=\"canonical\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/hearthwitchdownunder\/2012\/07\/ethics-influencing-others.html\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:locale\" content=\"en_US\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:type\" content=\"article\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:title\" content=\"Ethics - Influencing Others\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:description\" content=\"Ask a Witch to do a love spell and the majority of us will give the same or similar answer. \u00a0Usually the answer\u00a0begins\u00a0with NO! \u00a0No, because it is wrong\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:url\" content=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/hearthwitchdownunder\/2012\/07\/ethics-influencing-others.html\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:site_name\" content=\"Hearth Witch Down Under\" \/>\n<meta property=\"article:author\" content=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/ThePaganVeil\" \/>\n<meta property=\"article:published_time\" content=\"2012-07-03T02:12:00+00:00\" \/>\n<meta property=\"article:modified_time\" content=\"2018-01-24T03:33:30+00:00\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:image\" content=\"http:\/\/wp.production.patheos.com\/blogs\/hearthwitchdownunder\/files\/3.bp.blogspot.com\/-5gDoL-nYvEc\/VwkJ7wG2KKI\/AAAAAAAA9e8\/6pVG1MGJu-gSwiUyrXCxpLh0xSrMeDuhA\/s200\/title%20card%20-%20ethics%20influencing%20others.PNG\" \/>\n<meta name=\"author\" content=\"Bekah Evie Bel\" \/>\n<meta name=\"twitter:card\" content=\"summary_large_image\" \/>\n<meta name=\"twitter:creator\" content=\"@thepaganveil\" \/>\n<meta name=\"twitter:label1\" content=\"Written by\" \/>\n\t<meta name=\"twitter:data1\" content=\"Bekah Evie Bel\" \/>\n\t<meta name=\"twitter:label2\" content=\"Est. reading time\" \/>\n\t<meta name=\"twitter:data2\" content=\"7 minutes\" \/>\n<script type=\"application\/ld+json\" class=\"yoast-schema-graph\">{\"@context\":\"https:\/\/schema.org\",\"@graph\":[{\"@type\":\"WebPage\",\"@id\":\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/hearthwitchdownunder\/2012\/07\/ethics-influencing-others.html\",\"url\":\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/hearthwitchdownunder\/2012\/07\/ethics-influencing-others.html\",\"name\":\"Ethics - Influencing Others\",\"isPartOf\":{\"@id\":\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/hearthwitchdownunder\/#website\"},\"datePublished\":\"2012-07-03T02:12:00+00:00\",\"dateModified\":\"2018-01-24T03:33:30+00:00\",\"author\":{\"@id\":\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/hearthwitchdownunder\/#\/schema\/person\/4fad88778c6fe8fc986d6ac7c0702ebf\"},\"description\":\"Ask a Witch to do a love spell and the majority of us will give the same or similar answer. \u00a0Usually the answer\u00a0begins\u00a0with NO! \u00a0No, because it is wrong\",\"breadcrumb\":{\"@id\":\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/hearthwitchdownunder\/2012\/07\/ethics-influencing-others.html#breadcrumb\"},\"inLanguage\":\"en-US\",\"potentialAction\":[{\"@type\":\"ReadAction\",\"target\":[\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/hearthwitchdownunder\/2012\/07\/ethics-influencing-others.html\"]}]},{\"@type\":\"BreadcrumbList\",\"@id\":\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/hearthwitchdownunder\/2012\/07\/ethics-influencing-others.html#breadcrumb\",\"itemListElement\":[{\"@type\":\"ListItem\",\"position\":1,\"name\":\"Home\",\"item\":\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/hearthwitchdownunder\"},{\"@type\":\"ListItem\",\"position\":2,\"name\":\"Ethics &#8211; Influencing Others\"}]},{\"@type\":\"WebSite\",\"@id\":\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/hearthwitchdownunder\/#website\",\"url\":\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/hearthwitchdownunder\/\",\"name\":\"Hearth Witch Down Under\",\"description\":\"\",\"potentialAction\":[{\"@type\":\"SearchAction\",\"target\":{\"@type\":\"EntryPoint\",\"urlTemplate\":\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/hearthwitchdownunder\/?s={search_term_string}\"},\"query-input\":\"required name=search_term_string\"}],\"inLanguage\":\"en-US\"},{\"@type\":\"Person\",\"@id\":\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/hearthwitchdownunder\/#\/schema\/person\/4fad88778c6fe8fc986d6ac7c0702ebf\",\"name\":\"Bekah Evie Bel\",\"image\":{\"@type\":\"ImageObject\",\"inLanguage\":\"en-US\",\"@id\":\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/hearthwitchdownunder\/#\/schema\/person\/image\/\",\"url\":\"https:\/\/secure.gravatar.com\/avatar\/76ee66f5182ea8791be935ab1f8a5901?s=96&d=identicon&r=g\",\"contentUrl\":\"https:\/\/secure.gravatar.com\/avatar\/76ee66f5182ea8791be935ab1f8a5901?s=96&d=identicon&r=g\",\"caption\":\"Bekah Evie Bel\"},\"description\":\"I am an Aussie Hellenic Revivalist, Domestic Pagan, Hearth Witch and Devotee of Hekate and the Covenant of Hekate. I was raised Agnostic, bordering on Atheist and became Pagan long before I knew the label existed in a modern sense. My \\\"conversion\\\" to Hellenism is fairly recent so I am still in discovery mode, and you get to share that journey with me. I was admin and owner of the Pagan Veil social network for 4 years and have a minor presence within the Aussie, Pagan and Aussie Pagan Homeschooling communities.\",\"sameAs\":[\"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/hearthwitchdownunder\",\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/ThePaganVeil\",\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/thepaganveil\"],\"url\":\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/hearthwitchdownunder\/author\/bebel\"}]}<\/script>\n<!-- \/ Yoast SEO plugin. -->","yoast_head_json":{"title":"Ethics - Influencing Others","description":"Ask a Witch to do a love spell and the majority of us will give the same or similar answer. \u00a0Usually the answer\u00a0begins\u00a0with NO! \u00a0No, because it is wrong","robots":{"index":"index","follow":"follow","max-snippet":"max-snippet:-1","max-image-preview":"max-image-preview:large","max-video-preview":"max-video-preview:-1"},"canonical":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/hearthwitchdownunder\/2012\/07\/ethics-influencing-others.html","og_locale":"en_US","og_type":"article","og_title":"Ethics - Influencing Others","og_description":"Ask a Witch to do a love spell and the majority of us will give the same or similar answer. \u00a0Usually the answer\u00a0begins\u00a0with NO! \u00a0No, because it is wrong","og_url":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/hearthwitchdownunder\/2012\/07\/ethics-influencing-others.html","og_site_name":"Hearth Witch Down Under","article_author":"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/ThePaganVeil","article_published_time":"2012-07-03T02:12:00+00:00","article_modified_time":"2018-01-24T03:33:30+00:00","og_image":[{"url":"http:\/\/wp.production.patheos.com\/blogs\/hearthwitchdownunder\/files\/3.bp.blogspot.com\/-5gDoL-nYvEc\/VwkJ7wG2KKI\/AAAAAAAA9e8\/6pVG1MGJu-gSwiUyrXCxpLh0xSrMeDuhA\/s200\/title%20card%20-%20ethics%20influencing%20others.PNG"}],"author":"Bekah Evie Bel","twitter_card":"summary_large_image","twitter_creator":"@thepaganveil","twitter_misc":{"Written by":"Bekah Evie Bel","Est. reading time":"7 minutes"},"schema":{"@context":"https:\/\/schema.org","@graph":[{"@type":"WebPage","@id":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/hearthwitchdownunder\/2012\/07\/ethics-influencing-others.html","url":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/hearthwitchdownunder\/2012\/07\/ethics-influencing-others.html","name":"Ethics - Influencing Others","isPartOf":{"@id":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/hearthwitchdownunder\/#website"},"datePublished":"2012-07-03T02:12:00+00:00","dateModified":"2018-01-24T03:33:30+00:00","author":{"@id":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/hearthwitchdownunder\/#\/schema\/person\/4fad88778c6fe8fc986d6ac7c0702ebf"},"description":"Ask a Witch to do a love spell and the majority of us will give the same or similar answer. \u00a0Usually the answer\u00a0begins\u00a0with NO! \u00a0No, because it is wrong","breadcrumb":{"@id":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/hearthwitchdownunder\/2012\/07\/ethics-influencing-others.html#breadcrumb"},"inLanguage":"en-US","potentialAction":[{"@type":"ReadAction","target":["https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/hearthwitchdownunder\/2012\/07\/ethics-influencing-others.html"]}]},{"@type":"BreadcrumbList","@id":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/hearthwitchdownunder\/2012\/07\/ethics-influencing-others.html#breadcrumb","itemListElement":[{"@type":"ListItem","position":1,"name":"Home","item":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/hearthwitchdownunder"},{"@type":"ListItem","position":2,"name":"Ethics &#8211; Influencing Others"}]},{"@type":"WebSite","@id":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/hearthwitchdownunder\/#website","url":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/hearthwitchdownunder\/","name":"Hearth Witch Down Under","description":"","potentialAction":[{"@type":"SearchAction","target":{"@type":"EntryPoint","urlTemplate":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/hearthwitchdownunder\/?s={search_term_string}"},"query-input":"required name=search_term_string"}],"inLanguage":"en-US"},{"@type":"Person","@id":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/hearthwitchdownunder\/#\/schema\/person\/4fad88778c6fe8fc986d6ac7c0702ebf","name":"Bekah Evie Bel","image":{"@type":"ImageObject","inLanguage":"en-US","@id":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/hearthwitchdownunder\/#\/schema\/person\/image\/","url":"https:\/\/secure.gravatar.com\/avatar\/76ee66f5182ea8791be935ab1f8a5901?s=96&d=identicon&r=g","contentUrl":"https:\/\/secure.gravatar.com\/avatar\/76ee66f5182ea8791be935ab1f8a5901?s=96&d=identicon&r=g","caption":"Bekah Evie Bel"},"description":"I am an Aussie Hellenic Revivalist, Domestic Pagan, Hearth Witch and Devotee of Hekate and the Covenant of Hekate. I was raised Agnostic, bordering on Atheist and became Pagan long before I knew the label existed in a modern sense. My \"conversion\" to Hellenism is fairly recent so I am still in discovery mode, and you get to share that journey with me. I was admin and owner of the Pagan Veil social network for 4 years and have a minor presence within the Aussie, Pagan and Aussie Pagan Homeschooling communities.","sameAs":["http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/hearthwitchdownunder","https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/ThePaganVeil","https:\/\/twitter.com\/thepaganveil"],"url":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/hearthwitchdownunder\/author\/bebel"}]}},"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/hearthwitchdownunder\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/42","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/hearthwitchdownunder\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/hearthwitchdownunder\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/hearthwitchdownunder\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2764"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/hearthwitchdownunder\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=42"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/hearthwitchdownunder\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/42\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/hearthwitchdownunder\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=42"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/hearthwitchdownunder\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=42"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/hearthwitchdownunder\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=42"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}