{"id":1332,"date":"2017-09-05T09:04:44","date_gmt":"2017-09-05T16:04:44","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/admin.patheos.com\/blogs\/hippieheretic\/?p=1332"},"modified":"2018-01-08T09:48:14","modified_gmt":"2018-01-08T16:48:14","slug":"conflating-polyamory-the-lgbtq-community-and-orientation","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/hippieheretic\/2017\/09\/conflating-polyamory-the-lgbtq-community-and-orientation.html","title":{"rendered":"Conflating Polyamory, the LGBTQ Community, and Orientation"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p><figure id=\"attachment_1333\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-1333\" style=\"width: 300px\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/759\/2017\/09\/poly-gay-flag.jpg\" alt=\"The polyamory flag merged with the gay pride flag.\" width=\"300\" height=\"200\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-1333\"><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-1333\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">The polyamory flag merged with the gay pride flag.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/p><p>I ended the previous post on <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/hippieheretic\/2017\/08\/its-time-for-the-church-to-talk-about-polyamory.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">polyamory in the church<\/a> with a teaser for what was going to be <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/hippieheretic\/2017\/09\/what-polyamory-is-not.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">the next post<\/a>, but I\u2019m going to push that one back in order to first address a different matter that has come up.<\/p>\n<p>I asked some questions about why those who affirm the LGBTQ community aren\u2019t also speaking out in affirmation of polyamory. Based on some comments I\u2019ve read, my words seem to have implied that I saw the two as being more or less the same. This was a failure on my part to communicate clearly, and I unreservedly apologize to the LGBTQ community for any hurt or confusion my words may have caused.<\/p>\n<p>Being LGBTQ does not mean that one is also poly. And being affirming of the LGBTQ community does not mean that one is also affirming of polyamory. Additionally, I am not suggesting that polyamory should be lumped in as a part of LGBTQ. (As a white cis-hetero male, I don\u2019t think it\u2019s my place to voice an opinion on this question, so I will leave it for others to decide.)<\/p>\n<p>The point I was trying to make is this. Progressive churches have tended to make a name for themselves as being open, affirming, and welcoming of all people. And I think this is wonderful! However, when it comes down to it, the same hospitality that many of these churches extend to queer people is often not extended to polyamorous people. And what makes it worse is when they don\u2019t speak openly about this, allowing poly people to assume they are in a safe space, only to suddenly find out that the church is not as welcoming as it pretended to be.<\/p>\n<p>Furthermore, while it\u2019s entirely wrong and hurtful to assume that someone is automatically poly because they are queer, it is nonetheless true that some queer individuals are also poly. And some of them consider their polyamory to be a part of their queerness. I would not intentionally equate the two as being the same thing, but I would also not want to negate the experience of those individuals for whom queerness and polyamory overlap.<\/p>\n<p>The other part of my previous article that caused some confusion was where I referred to polyamory as a \u201crelational orientation.\u201d The thing is, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.psychologytoday.com\/blog\/the-polyamorists-next-door\/201610\/is-polyamory-form-sexual-orientation\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\" rel=\"nofollow\">experts are still debating<\/a> over whether polyamory is an orientation or a choice. But while the debate continues, my working principle is to never negate another\u2019s experience.<\/p>\n<p>Some of my poly friends describe polyamory as something they chose to enter into. Others describe it as something that has always been a part of them. I refuse to negate the experience of either. My personal belief is thus that some people are inherently drawn to monogamy, and would not do well in a polyamorous relationship; others are inherently drawn to polyamory, and would not do well in a monogamous relationship; and others are somewhere on the spectrum between those points, and could potentially do well in either kind of relationship. (And of course there are others still, such as those who are drawn to singleness.)<\/p>\n<p>I hope I\u2019ve done a better job of communicating clearly this time. Assuming so, we\u2019ll get back on track to discuss some <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/hippieheretic\/2017\/09\/what-polyamory-is-not.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">misconceptions about polyamory<\/a> in the next post.<\/p>\n<hr>\n<h2>Posts on polyamory<\/h2>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/hippieheretic\/2017\/08\/its-time-for-the-church-to-talk-about-polyamory.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">It\u2019s Time for the Church to Talk About Polyamory<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Conflating Polyamory, the LGBTQ Community, and Orientation<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/hippieheretic\/2017\/09\/what-polyamory-is-not.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">What Polyamory Is Not<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/hippieheretic\/2017\/09\/christian-sexual-ethics-and-polyamory.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">Christian Sexual Ethics and Polyamory<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/hippieheretic\/2017\/09\/southern-baptist-preacher-affirms-polyamory-interview-with-rev-dr-jeff-hood.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">Southern Baptist Preacher Affirms Polyamory (Interview with Rev. Dr. Jeff Hood)<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/hippieheretic\/2017\/10\/is-god-polyamorous.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">Is God Polyamorous?<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/hippieheretic\/2017\/10\/5-reasons-writing-polyamorous-families-guest-post-mark-kille.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">5 Reasons for Writing about Polyamorous Families (Guest Post by Mark Kille)<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/radicalchristianmillennial\/2017\/10\/polyamory-kingdom-of-god-christianity\/\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\">Polyamory and the Kingdom of God (by Christian Chiakulas on Radical Christian Millennial)<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/hippieheretic\/2017\/10\/what-are-polyamorous-christians-to-make-of-karl-barth-guest-post.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">What Are Polyamorous Christians to Make of Karl Barth? (Guest Post)<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/hippieheretic\/2017\/11\/polygamy-and-the-problem-of-patriarchy.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">Polygamy and the Problem of Patriarchy<\/a>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/hippieheretic\/2017\/11\/abrams-marriage-to-sarai-hagar-keturah-others.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">Abram\u2019s Marriage to Sarai, Hagar, Keturah &amp; Others<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/hippieheretic\/2017\/11\/jacobs-marriage-to-leah-rachel-bilhah-zilpah.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">Jacob\u2019s Marriage to Leah, Rachel, Bilhah &amp; Zilpah<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/hippieheretic\/2018\/01\/the-many-marriages-of-david-solomon.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">The Many Marriages of David &amp; Solomon<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li>Forthcoming\u2026<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I apologize for failing to communicate clearly. 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