{"id":11268,"date":"2018-10-07T15:23:19","date_gmt":"2018-10-07T21:23:19","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/admin.patheos.com\/blogs\/janetheactuary\/?p=11268"},"modified":"2018-10-07T15:23:19","modified_gmt":"2018-10-07T21:23:19","slug":"no-you-cant-change-the-2-senators-per-state-constitutional-provision","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/janetheactuary\/2018\/10\/no-you-cant-change-the-2-senators-per-state-constitutional-provision.html","title":{"rendered":"No, you can&#8217;t change the 2-Senators-per-state Constitutional provision"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p><figure id=\"attachment_5671\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-5671\" style=\"width: 1024px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-large wp-image-5671\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/533\/2016\/11\/Constitution_We_the_People-1024x371.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1024\" height=\"371\"><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-5671\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">public domain<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/p><p>Here\u2019s an, er, <em>interesting<\/em> outcome of yesterday\u2019s Kavanaugh confirmation vote:\u00a0 liberals are, at least on Twitter, (again) suggesting that the Senate is \u201cbroken\u201d because small states have the same representation as large states.<\/p>\n<p>Here\u2019s Matt Yglesias,<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/mattyglesias\/status\/1049032896177164288\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">https:\/\/twitter.com\/mattyglesias\/status\/1049032896177164288<\/a><\/p>\n<p>and after pushback, a follower of his replied,<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"500\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">ah true, you'd have to keep a ceremonial body called the Senate if you read that to mean they can't abolish the Senate<\/p>\n<p>\u2014 \u5de5an Monroe (@eean) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/eean\/status\/1049035882357878784?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">October 7, 2018<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<p>And here\u2019s Ken Dilanian from NBC:<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"500\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">It may not happen in our lifetimes, but the idea that North Dakota and New York get the same representation in the Senate has to change.  \u201cSenators representing less than half the U.S. are about to confirm a nominee opposed by most Americans\u201d <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/DAZWYT9Txg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">https:\/\/t.co\/DAZWYT9Txg<\/a><\/p>\n<p>\u2014 Ken Dilanian (@KenDilanianNBC) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/KenDilanianNBC\/status\/1048609656527118337?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">October 6, 2018<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<p>As a reminder, here\u2019s <a href=\"https:\/\/www.archives.gov\/founding-docs\/constitution-transcript\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Article 5<\/a>\u00a0of the Constitution:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>So, folks, you cannot change the provision that the Senate\u2019s members are based on states rather than proportionality, without a whole new constitution.<\/p>\n<p>And, no, you cannot solve this by simply declaring that the Senate may still exist but shall have all its powers taken away from it.<\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s not going to happen.<\/p>\n<p>Perhaps at some point there may be a widespread preference for a wholly new structure \u2014 for instance, a parliamentary system, which I am in general in favor of, but less keen on considering the splintering and fragmentation we\u2019re seeing in places such as Germany.\u00a0 And in that case, perhaps the preference for such a system will be strong enough that the citizenry will be willing to abandon the current structure of Senate and House both.\u00a0 But that seems rather unlikely, doesn\u2019t it?<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Here\u2019s an, er, interesting outcome of yesterday\u2019s Kavanaugh confirmation vote:\u00a0 liberals are, at least on Twitter, (again) suggesting that the Senate is \u201cbroken\u201d because small states have the same representation as large states. Here\u2019s Matt Yglesias, and after pushback, a follower of his replied, And here\u2019s Ken Dilanian from NBC: As a reminder, here\u2019s Article [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2209,"featured_media":5671,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[323,498],"class_list":["post-11268","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-uncategorized","tag-partisanship","tag-senate"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v21.1 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>No, you can&#039;t change the 2-Senators-per-state Constitutional provision<\/title>\n<meta name=\"description\" content=\"Here&#039;s an, er, interesting outcome of yesterday&#039;s Kavanaugh confirmation vote:\u00a0 liberals are, at least on Twitter, (again) suggesting that the Senate is\" \/>\n<meta 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