{"id":13718,"date":"2019-04-30T12:40:27","date_gmt":"2019-04-30T18:40:27","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/admin.patheos.com\/blogs\/janetheactuary\/?p=13718"},"modified":"2019-04-30T12:40:27","modified_gmt":"2019-04-30T18:40:27","slug":"tellers-living-wages-single-parenting-and-an-annoying-congressional-hearing","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/janetheactuary\/2019\/04\/tellers-living-wages-single-parenting-and-an-annoying-congressional-hearing.html","title":{"rendered":"Tellers, living wages, single parenting, and an annoying Congressional hearing"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p><figure id=\"attachment_8086\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-8086\" style=\"width: 1024px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-large wp-image-8086\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/533\/2018\/01\/The_Co-operative_Bank_-_Ealing_9415463884-1024x713.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1024\" height=\"713\"><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-8086\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">https:\/\/commons.wikimedia.org\/wiki\/File%3AThe_Co-operative_Bank_-_Ealing_(9415463884).jpg; By The Co-operative (The Co-operative Bank \u2013 Ealing) [CC BY 2.0 (http:\/\/creativecommons.org\/licenses\/by\/2.0)], via Wikimedia Commons<\/figcaption><\/figure><a href=\"https:\/\/www.forbes.com\/sites\/ebauer\/2019\/04\/29\/paycheck-to-paycheck-ism-undersaving-the-retirement-crisis-whose-fault-is-it-anyway\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Over at Forbes<\/a>, I referenced a <a href=\"https:\/\/www.washingtonpost.com\/outlook\/2019\/04\/23\/more-states-are-forcing-students-study-personal-finance-its-waste-time\/?fbclid=IwAR3s3T9meArTMSJfAmKeKAbkVm3-YMVMjP_1U7_YWehKcTRFyOhMRN-4HWw&amp;noredirect=on&amp;utm_term=.dfbe4ef8550e\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Washington Post column<\/a> claiming that it is super-inappropriate to expect that anyone can reasonably manage their financial affairs without debt because of all of the injustice in the world, and cited a congressional hearing in which\u00a0Rep. Katie Porter (D-Calif.) \u201cgrilled\u201d (his word choice) the CEO of JPMorgan Chase,\u00a0<span style=\"display: inline !important; float: none; background-color: transparent; color: #333333; cursor: text; font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman','Bitstream Charter',Times,serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;\">Jamie Dimon, <\/span>about the wages of its entry-level employees.\u00a0 Now, quite unrelatedly, a <a href=\"https:\/\/thehill.com\/homenews\/house\/438540-dem-challenges-jp-morgan-ceo-to-try-and-budget-employees-low-salary-i-dont?fbclid=IwAR27HJUveMjynSl4pqQemHtnW_7ghhx-otWbRhzJIitiAZeiMIZVlICRrj8\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">The Hill article<\/a> on this hearing crossed my path, with more detail, and I\u2019m not sure what to make of it.\u00a0 Did they really summon CEOs to complain about starting wages of $16.50, that is, twice the minimum wage, for a job that <a href=\"https:\/\/jobs.chase.com\/ShowJob\/Id\/213644\/Associate-Banker-Part-Time-Naples,-FL-Market-THA\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">requires no more than a GED<\/a>?<\/p>\n<p>Now, I\u2019ll throw in a caveat here:\u00a0 there\u2019s a reason why this is a \u201cJane the Actuary\u201d article and not a follow-up Forbes article, and that\u2019s (largely) that I neither have all the facts at my command nor am I doing the necessary journalist-y research to acquire them.\u00a0 But lots for discussion here, I think.<\/p>\n<p>To begin with, Porter sounds like an unpleasant person.\u00a0 Is this really what Congress does? \u2014 call business heads in to \u201ctestify\u201d and, instead of asking substantive questions, harangue them?\u00a0 It\u2019s nonsense.\u00a0 The Hill article shows a picture she took of herself and posted on twitter, of the hypothetical budget of a single mom being paid $16.50 per hour, earning $35,070 per year, or $29,100 after tax, of which she pays:<\/p>\n<p>$1600 for a 1 bedroom apartment shared with a 6 year old,<\/p>\n<p>$100 for utilities<\/p>\n<p>$250 for a car payment for a 2008 car<\/p>\n<p>$150 for gas<\/p>\n<p>$402 for food (the USDA \u201clow cost\u201d food budget)<\/p>\n<p>$40 for a phone<\/p>\n<p>and $450 for afterschool childcare.<\/p>\n<p>Does this budget make sense?\u00a0 The taxes paid seem way too high, to start with;\u00a0 I calculated (with a combination of online calculators and actual calculator-math) $1700 in federal tax, less $838 in EITC and a child tax credit of $2000 (of which $1,400 is refundable) for a net refund of $1138. FICA would be $2348, so she\u2019s at a net $1,210 in taxes. State taxes are another $532.\u00a0 That\u2019s far less than the $6,000, even if my math is a bit approximative.\u00a0 At first I thought this was explainable as a combination of taxes plus all other payroll deductions (health insurance premiums and other benefit costs plus maybe even a 401(k) contribution) but then the article says that this is not a real person sharing real expenses but a hypothetical composite worker, so that it seems that someone did some (bad) math.<\/p>\n<p>Does a $250 car payment for an 11 year old car make sense?\u00a0 Not to me, but I suppose the staffer who constructed this hypothetical budget might have found what a car costs, off a used-car lot, with the high interest rate someone with bad credit would get.\u00a0 As to the $1600 in rent, well, it is beginning to be acknowledged by Californians that their restrictive zoning is driving up the cost of housing.\u00a0 They haven\u2019t quite gotten to the point of permitting more construction, but, if I\u2019m not mistaken, they are at least having that debate in a way that wasn\u2019t the case not long ago \u2014 though unfortunately, some of them are coming to the conclusion that the answer is rent control, which won\u2019t help with housing supply at all.<\/p>\n<p>But beyond nit-picking the budget itself, here\u2019s what\u2019s missing:\u00a0 <strong>child support<\/strong>.<\/p>\n<p>This is, after all, a hypothetical single mother of a 6 year old child, beginning an entry-level job which nonetheless expects a professional demeanor.\u00a0 (Tangentially, <a href=\"https:\/\/jobs.chase.com\/page\/show\/chase-associate-banker-roles\/Page-1\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">according to the Chase website<\/a>, they seem to hire their tellers on a part-time-only basis; that is, the only listings shown are for part-timers.\u00a0 Are the full-timers promoted from within?\u00a0 Do they hire part-timers in order to balance their workflow?\u00a0 To avoid costs associated with full-time employees?\u00a0 A 2011 document found online says that health insurance is available to all employees working more than 20 hours per week, but with no details on level of subsidy.\u00a0 In any case, it\u2019s therefore not even clear whether Porter\u2019s office talked to people who actually worked as full-time bank tellers at Chase.)<\/p>\n<p>Porter asks, how is this hypothetical worker supposed to make ends meet when she has a $500 budget gap every month?\u00a0 But that hypothetical worker ought to be receiving child support.<\/p>\n<p>Is she a former housewife, newly divorced and re-entering the workforce?\u00a0 She should be receiving child support.<\/p>\n<p>Is she a teen mom, finally ready for the workforce for the first time?\u00a0 She should be receiving child support.<\/p>\n<p>Does she fall into that category of women that one reads about, who say, \u201cI didn\u2019t want to have anything to do with the father\u201d?\u00a0 That\u2019s a problem.\u00a0 Children should not be denied the child support that is due them (and should not be denied the opportunity for a relationship with their father) because their mothers wished not to be bound by this relationship.<\/p>\n<p>Is the father, on the other hand, failing to pay child support because he\u2019s a gangbanger, a \u201cNEET\u201d as they\u2019re called these days, the numbers of which are <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/janetheactuary\/2016\/01\/the-neets-are-not-so-neat-new-statistics-on-black-youth-in-chicago.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">distressingly high in places such as Chicago<\/a>?\u00a0 Then we need to talk about this, rather than treating these men as disposable, so that all that matters is ensuring that the women with whom they have fathered children have sufficient funds from statutory minimum wages or from government support programs, so that their children need fathers for neither financial nor emotional reasons.<\/p>\n<p>But let\u2019s leave this behind \u2014 how much, then, should a bank teller be paid?\u00a0 Remember, however much JPMorgan Chase earns in profits companywide, they\u2019re still not going to be keen on subsidizing unprofitable local bank branches, and, whenever such a bank isn\u2019t being called on the carpet for their low teller salaries, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/janetheactuary\/2018\/01\/expensive-poor-part-2-banking.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">they\u2019re being criticized for the fees<\/a> they charge their customers for low-balance checking accounts, overdrafts, and the like.\u00a0 Do their critics want to have their cake and eat it too, by expecting fee-free or low-fee banking with high-paid entry-level employees?<\/p>\n<p>So, readers, what do you think?<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Over at Forbes, I referenced a Washington Post column claiming that it is super-inappropriate to expect that anyone can reasonably manage their financial affairs without debt because of all of the injustice in the world, and cited a congressional hearing in which\u00a0Rep. 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