{"id":15123,"date":"2019-08-10T22:50:00","date_gmt":"2019-08-11T04:50:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/admin.patheos.com\/blogs\/janetheactuary\/?p=15123"},"modified":"2019-08-10T22:50:00","modified_gmt":"2019-08-11T04:50:00","slug":"when-anti-nazi-ism-goes-too-far","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/janetheactuary\/2019\/08\/when-anti-nazi-ism-goes-too-far.html","title":{"rendered":"When Anti-Nazi-ism Goes Too Far"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p><figure id=\"attachment_7133\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-7133\" style=\"width: 721px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-7133\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/533\/2017\/08\/Neonazi_2.4.2005_M%C3%BCnchen_2.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"721\" height=\"599\"><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-7133\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">A Munich Neonazi demonstration, from Wikipedia, https:\/\/upload.wikimedia.org\/wikipedia\/commons\/b\/be\/Neonazi_2.4.2005_M%C3%BCnchen_2.jpg<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/p><p>Folks, I\u2019ve been wanting to write about the events of the past week, namely, the shooting in El Paso and its aftermath, but, alas, I\u2019ve been neglecting this blog almost as much as I have the weed-choked \u201cflower bed\u201d in the backyard.<\/p>\n<p>We started with a killer and his \u201cmanifesto\u201d full of ramblings on immigration as well as environmentalism and what-not, and with the anti-immigrant hatred demonstrated in the act of travelling specifically to that border town in order to target Mexicans.\u00a0 Accusations swirled:\u00a0 Trump is not merely prejudiced, but an actual white supremacist, as are, what\u2019s more, anyone who supports immigration enforcement, as well as anyone who supports Trump or, in fact, anyone who does not denounce Trump \u2014 and that means not merely rejecting actions of Trump which are racist (as defined\/interpreted by the hearer), but utterly and completely denouncing Trump and anyone associated with him in any way. \u00a0 (To what extent this is further based on racial prejudice of any sort being deemed full-blown \u201cwhite supremacism\u201d isn\u2019t clear to me, in part because I\u2019ve been trying to avoid articles that make these claims, to avoid metaphorically banging my head against the wall too much.)\u00a0 And, likewise, not only has the killer been deemed a domestic terrorist but Trump and, well, anyone connected with him, are all one and the same.<\/p>\n<p>Here\u2019 <a href=\"https:\/\/www.politico.com\/magazine\/story\/2019\/08\/07\/trump-immigration-restriction-terrorism-227610\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Rich Lowry writing at Politico<\/a>, who expresses my opinion:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>The El Paso massacre, carried out by a white nationalist waging a lunatic war against Hispanic immigration, is being used as a bludgeon against Trump and immigration restriction more broadly.<\/p>\n<p>After years spent trying to rule immigration restriction out of bounds, as much as argue the merits, the left is doubling down on ruling immigration restriction out of bounds. . . .<\/p>\n<p>First, let\u2019s stipulate that Trump\u2019s words on immigration often are crude and inflammatory . . .<\/p>\n<p>That said, nothing he\u2019s ever said could possibly justify indiscriminately shooting people. Trump is not a terrorist, a supporter of terrorism or an enabler or terrorism. To suggest otherwise is a slander born of partisan hatred.<\/p>\n<p>The El Paso shooter\u2019s apparent manifesto overlaps with some of Trump\u2019s rhetoric, but what gives the manifesto its motive force is its apocalyptic argument that slaughter is the way to fight \u201cto reclaim\u201d the country.<\/p>\n<p>The gulf between that view and Trump\u2019s\u2014that we should protect the border by getting Congress to build a wall and change some highly technical asylum rules\u2014is vast. It is the difference between justifying criminality and advocating legislation, between quitting on America and calling for policies to solve one of its problems.<\/p>\n<p>Much is made of Trump\u2019s use of the word \u201cinvasion,\u201d which also features in the manifesto. This is a loaded term that should be avoided. It speaks to a hostile intent among immigrants who are, by and large, simply coming here because they think they can improve their lives. Although the numbers and relatively robust organization of the various caravans, and the sheer scale of the current migrant inflow, make the word more apt than for routine immigration.<\/p>\n<p>But, again, the impulse to gun down these supposed invaders in cold blood while they are shopping at Walmart and the impulse to exclude them from entry into the country, or quickly and safely return them home once here, don\u2019t exist in the same moral universe.<\/p>\n<p>For all that the language police profess to care deeply about words, they aren\u2019t very careful about rendering Trump\u2019s. No one notes that in his Florida rally where a rally-goer notoriously yelled \u201cshoot them,\u201d and Trump shook his head and smiled, \u201conly in the Panhandle,\u201d the president was in the midst of saying of border patrol agents, \u201cDon\u2019t forget, we don\u2019t let them, and we can\u2019t let them, use weapons.\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>And here\u2019s a twitter exchange tonight, initially with reference to an article about the successful lawsuit against a neo-Nazi group by a woman they had relentlessly harassed:<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"500\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">I actually prefer the modality of hanging them by the neck until dead, or parking them against a brick wall for a firing squad after a Nuremberg style trial, but that's just me <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/M8hjiLki4y\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">https:\/\/t.co\/M8hjiLki4y<\/a><\/p>\n<p>\u2014 Rick Wilson (@TheRickWilson) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/TheRickWilson\/status\/1160188075835822080?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">August 10, 2019<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<p>After a bit more back and forth, he replies:<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"500\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">No one ever said \"everyone\" is a Nazi. <\/p>\n<p>Which Nazis \u2014 and be exact \u2014 do you want to see remain alive? <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/HeU2a5JIZa\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">https:\/\/t.co\/HeU2a5JIZa<\/a><\/p>\n<p>\u2014 Rick Wilson (@TheRickWilson) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/TheRickWilson\/status\/1160318874912526340?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">August 10, 2019<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<p>Later, separately, he wrote:<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"500\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">He's a famous defender of Nazis. He likes them alive. I like them dead. <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/RSAAr2vVV9\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">https:\/\/t.co\/RSAAr2vVV9<\/a><\/p>\n<p>\u2014 Rick Wilson (@TheRickWilson) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/TheRickWilson\/status\/1160378432599072768?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">August 11, 2019<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<p>And, for reference, Rick Wilson, in addition to the twitter \u201cblue check-mark\u201d also has over half a million followers.\u00a0 He describes himself as \u201cApostate GOP Media Guy, Dad, Husband, Pilot, Hunter, Writer. #1 NYT best-selling author of Everything Trump Touches Dies.\u201d\u00a0 I follow him out of the general principle of having at least some representation in my twitter feed from folks with opposing views, though his feed is a bit one-dimensional in its anti-Trumpness.<\/p>\n<p>And he openly supports killing people because of their ideology.\u00a0 Now, it should go without saying that I don\u2019t endorse Nazi-ism, but there is a difference between opposing the ideology and calling for its supporters to be killed.\u00a0 Could he imagine that he\u2019s really referring to actual literal Nazis in Nazi Germany?\u00a0 But even then, only the worst of the worst were given the death penalty at Nuremburg; membership in the Nazi Party was not itself a reason for imprisonment (except for postwar detainment coming from a fear of a guerilla resistance).\u00a0 And, of course, during the war itself, American\/Allied soldiers did not kill Nazis <em>qua<\/em> Nazis, but insofar as they were members of the German military on the battlefield, and, following the usual approaches, were sent off to POW camps if they surrendered.<\/p>\n<p>Now, what\u2019s going on in Wilson\u2019s head I cannot say.\u00a0 Is it obvious to him that this is all hyperbole?\u00a0 Am I insufficiently immersed in his world to know that, of course, he does not for a minute believe any of what he\u2019s saying?\u00a0 Or has he become so consumed by his anti-Trumpism that he genuinely believes the deaths of all he deems Nazis are warranted and morally acceptable?\u00a0 And, in any case, is it acceptable to call for the deaths of others <em>even as hyperbole<\/em>?\u00a0 These posts got plenty of likes (though they were not, at any rate, massively viral, relative to the way some others become).<\/p>\n<p>It should go without saying that we cannot, in the name of ending hate, continue to stoke hate, merely justifying ourselves that the people we are hating, are deserving of our hatred.<\/p>\n<p>And a third brief observation:<\/p>\n<p>A couple days ago, the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.washingtonexaminer.com\/news\/aoc-to-white-supremacists-come-back-its-not-too-late\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><em>Washington Examiner<\/em><\/a> reported on a tweet by Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez:<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"500\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">Here\u2019s what we have to say to all of America\u2019s men and women falling in the grips of hatred and white supremacy:<\/p>\n<p>Come back. It\u2019s not too late.<\/p>\n<p>You have neighbors and loved ones waiting, holding space for you.<br>And we will love you back. \u2b07\ufe0f <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/f2nCZzwLUy\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">https:\/\/t.co\/f2nCZzwLUy<\/a><\/p>\n<p>\u2014 Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (@AOC) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/AOC\/status\/1158869485463453697?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">August 6, 2019<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<p>And that\u2019s great, but it doesn\u2019t go far enough.\u00a0 To my understanding, the sort of young men who \u201csh**post\u201d on 8chan and identify with hate groups land there because they don\u2019t have any other community\/family, but received a welcome there.\u00a0 A promise that\u2019s conditional (\u201cif you forsake white supremacy, your loved ones will love you again\u201d) is hardly going to persuade someone who says, \u201cmy family didn\u2019t love me in the first place.\u201d\u00a0 Any narrative of a young man leaving a hate group inevitably is the story of someone reaching out and befriending that person <em>without<\/em> conditions, and only when they feel a bond with someone can they begin to consider changing their ways.\u00a0 Here\u2019s an analogy:\u00a0 how many times have you seen the Chantix commercials on TV?\u00a0 Start taking Chantix and then, after a given length of time, quitting smoking becomes more doable.<\/p>\n<p>*Just in case the above tweets become deleted, here are they are again as pictures:<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-15147\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/533\/2019\/08\/Wilson-1.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"811\" height=\"488\"><\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-large wp-image-15150\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/533\/2019\/08\/Wilson-2.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"816\" height=\"522\"><\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-large wp-image-15153\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/533\/2019\/08\/Wilson-3.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"803\" height=\"463\"><\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Folks, I\u2019ve been wanting to write about the events of the past week, namely, the shooting in El Paso and its aftermath, but, alas, I\u2019ve been neglecting this blog almost as much as I have the weed-choked \u201cflower bed\u201d in the backyard. 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