{"id":205,"date":"2014-11-08T21:51:00","date_gmt":"2014-11-09T03:51:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/admin.patheos.com\/blogs\/janetheactuary\/2014\/11\/on-women-and-the-priesthood.html"},"modified":"2015-02-26T23:05:23","modified_gmt":"2015-02-27T05:05:23","slug":"on-women-and-the-priesthood","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/janetheactuary\/2014\/11\/on-women-and-the-priesthood.html","title":{"rendered":"On women and the priesthood"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p>This is a post which is likely, due to its subject matter, to be of interest to only a small segment of my readers, but I\u2019ll try to make this more broadly interesting (since, after all, one of my stated reasons for blogging is to practice at writing things that are interesting to other people rather than just myself).\u00a0 In any event, it\u2019s a long one, so please bear with me. . . <\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth Scalia, \u201cThe Anchoress\u201d at Patheos, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/theanchoress\/2014\/11\/06\/mrs-bishop-and-the-theology-of-but-of-course\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">wrote about<\/a> and linked to an article about a female \u201cpriest\u201d in Austria. \u00a0So I\u2019ll start with her comments, then go to the article itself, then my thoughts on the whole issue.<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"tr_bq\"><p>Here\u2019s what jumped out at me:<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<blockquote class=\"tr_bq\"><p>\u201cI had felt called by God to priesthood since I was a small child,\u201d she says simply, \u201cand I wanted to be a priest before I died.\u201d\u00a0<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<blockquote class=\"tr_bq\"><p>That\u2019s four I\u2019s in two sentences, and not a \u201cJesus\u201d in sight, in the whole long piece, except as necessary to provide the vaguest of explanations for our teaching on ordination.\u00a0<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<blockquote class=\"tr_bq\"><p>. . . There is a great deal of pride and self-reference in all of this. Beyond that, the idea that \u201cI felt called and wanted this before I died, because I am a prophet\u201d makes her theology terribly suspect.\u00a0<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<blockquote class=\"tr_bq\"><p>She calls herself \u201ca prophet\u201d but prophets generally don\u2019t want any part of whatever it is they\u2019re being called to. If they eventually find joy in their obedience, their first response is usually, \u201coh, hell no.\u201d\u00a0<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<blockquote class=\"tr_bq\"><p>Theologically, she is missing the whole idea \u2014 the Christ-promulgated idea \u2014 that you can\u2019t always get what you want, but (if you try sometimes, though obedience is hard) you get what you need.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Now, the article itself, \u201c<a href=\"http:\/\/www.telegraph.co.uk\/news\/religion\/11207449\/Meet-the-female-priest-defying-Catholicism-for-her-faith.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Meet the female priest defying Catholicism for her faith<\/a>,\u201d in the Telegraph. \u00a0It profiles an Austrian woman,\u00a0Christine Mayr-Lumetzberger, a 58-year-old ex-nun who, in 2002, was \u201cordained\u201d by an\u00a0Argentinian Catholic bishop, Antonio Braschi, was subsequently excommunicated, and followed that up by being \u201cconsecrated\u201d a bishop by multiple rebellious anonymous bishops. \u00a0Since then,<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"tr_bq\"><p>On her laptop \u2013 decorated with a red rose \u2013 \u201cMrs Bishop\u201d has file after file of pictures of herself, in full episcopal robes, performing baptisms, marriages and funerals in Catholic churches up and down Austria \u2013 and beyond. She\u2019s being doing one every two weeks for the past decade, she estimates. In the snaps, she\u2019s there on the altar at Kremsmunster, the oldest Benedictine monastery in Austria, with the congregation spread out in front of her. Or leading a long funeral procession side-by-side into another church with a male priest.\u00a0<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<blockquote class=\"tr_bq\"><p>So they accept her as one of them? \u201cYes.\u201d And suffer no consequences from their bishops for sharing their pulpits an excommunicated woman? \u201cNo, never once.\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Her backstory: \u00a0she was a nun briefly, from 1970 to 1975, out of a belief that \u201cby signing on as a nun, she was putting herself at the front of the queue when women\u2019s ordination finally was permitted.\u201d \u00a0After she left, she taught religious education until she married a divorced man (\u201che had already left his wife\u201d she says in her own defense, that is, asserting that she wasn\u2019t a home-wrecker) and became ineligible, but continued to believe she was called to be a priest. <\/p>\n<p>And why do people turn to her for these rites? \u00a0She says,<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"tr_bq\"><p>Some people want a woman priest because they believe we offer different things, that we can feel with them in a different way, that we can be easier with them than a man, that we can, for example, hold a grieving mother in a way that a male priest cannot.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>So the first question is, what is going on in the church in Austria?<\/p>\n<p>There is a group called Call to Disobedience, founded in 2006, which claims to have the support of the majority of Austrian priests, which advocates for female priests and married priests, opposes the teaching on the indissolubility of marriage, and, <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Call_to_Disobedience\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">according to Wikipedia<\/a>, disagrees with church doctrine in other, nonspecified ways. \u00a0Here\u2019s <a href=\"http:\/\/www.pfarrer-initiative.at\/unge.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">their website<\/a>, in German. \u00a0Phrasing their goals in part as a response to declining numbers of priests and increasing numbers of priest-less or closed churches, they say, \u201cWIR WERDEN deshalb jede Gelegenheit n\u00fctzen, uns \u00f6ffentlich f\u00fcr die Zulassung von Frauen und Verheirateten zum Priesteramt auszusprechen. Wir sehen in ihnen willkommene Kolleginnen und Kollegen im Amt der Seelsorge,\u201d which means, basically, we will take every opportunity to address the admission of women and married people to the priesthood. \u00a0We view them as welcome colleagues in the care of souls.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>So to the extent that they are, presumably not a majority, but a significant minority, I suppose it\u2019s not a surprise that they would welcome a freelance female \u201cpriest.\u201d <\/p>\n<p>Why do these individuals not just simply leave the Roman Catholic church for a denomination that\u2019s more to their liking? \u00a0In part, because Catholicism is the only game in town in Austria. \u00a0As recently as 1951, 89% of Austrians were Catholic, with most of the remainder Lutheran (6%). \u00a0Now the percent of Catholics has dropped to 62%, but, so, too, the % Lutheran is now less than 4%, and the remainder are Muslim or Orthodox (due to immigration from the East and from Turkey) or Nones (now 19%). <\/p>\n<p>Functionally, the Catholic Church seems to be viewed as the State church, with the consequence that people expect it to be a pretty big tent, and accommodate every desire. \u00a0(Though perhaps it\u2019s not as far gone as the actual state church in Sweden, where (I can\u2019t find the link just now) confirmation is a coming-of-age ritual which is openly open to all teenagers without any requirement of affirming belief in church doctrine and, not long ago, a pastor announced his atheism and, after a lengthy church \u201ctrial,\u201d succeeded in keeping his job.)<\/p>\n<p>Nonetheless, the notion of a woman deciding to seek ordination from someone willing to violate all the rules to do so, and freelance her way around, is actually not unfamiliar to me: \u00a0an old friend from grad school, who I\u2019d lost touch with afterwards, followed exactly this path.\u00a0 She was a doctoral student in Theology when I first met her, having initially gotten her master\u2019s degree, then left to work at a pregnancy counseling center, and then returned.\u00a0 She was working on her dissertation when I got married and moved to Chicago; shortly afterwards she got a teaching position, during which time she was supposed to be working on her dissertation, but she ended up writing a never-published memoir (about, she told me, her grieving for her daughter, who died as a toddler in a car accident), and concluded at the end of this project that it was her destiny to be ordained.\u00a0 So \u2014 her husband having lost patience with the fact that he took a part-time job to take on the primary responsibility for caring for their newborn, in order for her to teach and write the dissertation, which she didn\u2019t do, and since she decided that she didn\u2019t like that teaching job, anyway, they packed up and left, he got a regular full-time job, and she started putting in her time as Episcopalian, because she learned that she needed to, in fact, have been an Episcopalian for a certain length of time before applying for the seminary.<\/p>\n<p>Anyway \u2014 it was about this time that I lost touch with her.\u00a0 Quite some time later, I found her, through the magic of the internet.\u00a0 By this time, she had moved two more times, had given up on the Episcopalians (I don\u2019t remember if it was because she lost patience with their requirements for the seminary and was unhappy that they didn\u2019t give her enough \u201ccredit\u201d for what she\u2019d done, or if they lost patience with her), and had gotten herself a mail-order ordination and hung her shingle as a wedding officiant.\u00a0 She had finally finished her dissertation, had another child, taught intermittently, moved a couple more times, and got herself ordained by an Old Catholic group, which meant that she began to call herself a Roman Catholic priest.\u00a0 She then decided that no splinter-Catholic group was sufficiently feminist, so she got someone to ordain her a \u201cbishop\u201d and claimed to found a Catholic group of her own to emphasize feminism and \u201cGoddess spirituality.\u201d\u00a0 And now (I was her facebook friend for a while until she unfriended me but we have mutual friends so I can check in on her to a certain degree due to her privacy settings) she\u2019s trying to get a teaching job again while lamenting that she had to lose her academic career to \u201canswer her call to priesthood,\u201d and in the meantime freelances as a \u201cspiritual director.\u201d\u00a0 <\/p>\n<p>So I tend to react to these sorts of stories by thinking about this friend, who has changed course so frequently that she\u2019d have made a really lousy priest even if she\u2019d been in a denomination with female clergy, and for whom the ordination was a \u201cthing\u201d that she wanted and a career path she desired, rather than a call to serve in a community, and I\u2019m highly skeptical of any of these stories of women who decide on their own to seek \u201cillegal\u201d ordination and pursue ministry as a freelance occupation.<\/p>\n<p><b>But here\u2019s the thing:<\/b><\/p>\n<p>Priesthood, for Catholics, is different than becoming a pastor, for Protestants.\u00a0 It\u2019s connected in with the sacraments:\u00a0 a deacon can officiate at weddings and perform baptisms, a priest can consecrate the Eucharist and administer the sacraments of reconciliation (confession) and Anointing of the Sick, and a bishop can ordain new priests.<\/p>\n<p>And one of the key elements of Catholicism that differentiate it from Protestantism is the emphasis on sacraments, and the fundamental idea that God uses physical objects to provide sacramental grace:\u00a0 water for baptism, bread and wine for the Eucharist, oil for Anointing.\u00a0 And there is a certain amount of arbitrariness to it:\u00a0 may a Chinese Catholic church substitute rice and tea?\u00a0 No.\u00a0 You can\u2019t even swap out grape juice for the wine, though for alcoholics a special \u201cwine\u201d is available with no detectable amount of alcohol (I was once at a church where, in the sacristy where people ordinarily wouldn\u2019t see it, there was a note about special wine for Father so-and-so, which I presumed meant that he was a recovering alcoholic), and gluten-free wafers don\u2019t count as \u201creal bread,\u201d but there are alternatives with miniscule amounts of gluten available upon request.\u00a0 So, whether you believe it or not, it\u2019s not <i>unreasonable <\/i>for theologians to believe that one of the key \u201cingredients\u201d at the consecration of the Eucharist be that the presider be male as Christ was.\u00a0 <\/p>\n<p>But at the same time, women, and lay men as well, are taking on more roles in parishes.\u00a0 Professionally, there are more women who are \u201cPastoral Associates,\u201d which means that they do a mix of the pastoral and administrative work that happens at a church, similar to what an actual pastor\/priest does.\u00a0 Other women, when married to a deacon, are active in many of the same ministries, and, in fact, often take the same night classes as their husbands do.\u00a0 Still others preside at communion services (that is, church services without consecration of the Eucharist, held, for instance, at my church, in the early morning on weekdays), or lead Bible studies or adult education classes, or prepare new parents for baptism or couples for marriage.\u00a0 Lay men or women may be \u201cyouth ministry directors,\u201d a position often held by an actual ordained minister in many Protestant churches.<\/p>\n<p><b>What is missing in the Catholic Church, and could be a real benefit, is a \u201cProtestant-style\u201d ordination \u2014 that is, a means of formally recognizing and commissioning both men and women who serve in these non-sacramental ministry roles.\u00a0<\/b> I used to wonder if my friend, had such a recognition been available to her, wouldn\u2019t have headed down this alternate path (in the meantime, I concluded that she\u2019s flaky enough that it wouldn\u2019t have made a difference).\u00a0 <\/p>\n<p>And at the same time \u2014 to go back to this Austrian woman\u2019s comment:<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"tr_bq\"><p>Some people want a woman priest  because they believe we offer different things, that we can feel with  them in a different way, that we can be easier with them than a man,  that we can, for example, hold a grieving mother in a way that a male  priest cannot.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>\u00a0I have read that, as mainline Protestant denominations have opened up ordination to women, that they are essentially replacing men.\u00a0 I\u2019ve been taking enough time writing this now that I can\u2019t start digging for statistics, but perhaps another time I\u2019ll try to dig around to see what there is on the question of whether men and women minister \u201cdifferently\u201d and whether men\u2019s days are numbered as pastors, in churches with ordination of women, in the same way as women, in general, tend to me more likely to attend and be involved in church.\u00a0 It reminds to a certain degree, too, of men OB\/GYNs, and an article that their ranks are diminishing (even though a male OB\/gyn doesn\u2019t bother me, and I tended to make an appointment with one of the men in the practice because there were more available appointment times, and they always maintained a careful professionalism).\u00a0 I have the impression, though, that this woman\u2019s statement, and the general expectation that woman pastors will be more \u201cnurturing\u201d with their congregants, will, in the long term, have a significant impact on what it means to be a church and to minister.<\/p>\n<p>So there you have it.\u00a0 A lot of rambling with one bottom-line thought and a further open question.<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>This is a post which is likely, due to its subject matter, to be of interest to only a small segment of my readers, but I\u2019ll 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