{"id":4382,"date":"2016-04-21T15:30:04","date_gmt":"2016-04-21T21:30:04","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/admin.patheos.com\/blogs\/janetheactuary\/?p=4382"},"modified":"2016-04-22T06:43:57","modified_gmt":"2016-04-22T12:43:57","slug":"another-what-if-on-locker-rooms","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/janetheactuary\/2016\/04\/another-what-if-on-locker-rooms.html","title":{"rendered":"Another what-if on locker rooms"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/533\/2016\/04\/800px-HK_%E5%A0%85%E5%B0%BC%E5%9C%B0%E5%9F%8E_Kennedy_Town_%E5%A3%AB%E7%BE%8E%E9%9D%9E%E8%B7%AF%E5%B8%82%E6%94%BF%E5%A4%A7%E5%BB%88_Smithfield_Municipal_Services_Building_%E6%9B%B4%E8%A1%A3%E5%AE%A4_changing_room_Sept-2011.jpg\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-4384\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\" wp-image-4384\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/533\/2016\/04\/800px-HK_%E5%A0%85%E5%B0%BC%E5%9C%B0%E5%9F%8E_Kennedy_Town_%E5%A3%AB%E7%BE%8E%E9%9D%9E%E8%B7%AF%E5%B8%82%E6%94%BF%E5%A4%A7%E5%BB%88_Smithfield_Municipal_Services_Building_%E6%9B%B4%E8%A1%A3%E5%AE%A4_changing_room_Sept-2011.jpg\" alt=\"https:\/\/commons.wikimedia.org\/wiki\/File%3AHK_%E5%A0%85%E5%B0%BC%E5%9C%B0%E5%9F%8E_Kennedy_Town_%E5%A3%AB%E7%BE%8E%E9%9D%9E%E8%B7%AF%E5%B8%82%E6%94%BF%E5%A4%A7%E5%BB%88_Smithfield_Municipal_Services_Building_%E6%9B%B4%E8%A1%A3%E5%AE%A4_changing_room_Sept-2011.jpg; By Limysei1235 (Own work) [CC BY-SA 3.0 (http:\/\/creativecommons.org\/licenses\/by-sa\/3.0)], via Wikimedia Commons\" width=\"672\" height=\"502\"><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Look, we all get it: \u00a0an individual who has transitioned is in a position where you can\u2019t just demand they use the locker rooms corresponding to their sex at birth.<\/p>\n<p>But at the same time, well, it\u2019s driving me batty when people treat this as only an issue of bathrooms, and something to get past just by not being prudish.<\/p>\n<p>So here are a dozen scenarios.<\/p>\n<p>Which of these individuals would you feel comfortable using the locker room at a public pool along wtih your 7 year old daughter?<\/p>\n<p>1) a cisgender man<\/p>\n<p>1a) who is dressing as a woman in order to access the locker room and look at naked women and expose himself<\/p>\n<p>1b) who is dressing as a woman on a dare from friends<\/p>\n<p>1c) who is just wearing ordinary (male) street clothes\/swim trunks<\/p>\n<p>2) a biologically-male individual who identifies as \u201cgenderqueer\u201d or \u201cagender\u201d<\/p>\n<p>3) a biologically-male individual in the beginning stages of transitioning, who is consequently dressing as a woman (long hair, women\u2019s clothes) but hasn\u2019t had any treatment affecting their body?<\/p>\n<p>3a) a biologically-male individual who is not \u201cout\u201d as transgender, but spends occasional weekends out-of-town cross-dressing<\/p>\n<p>4) a biologically-male individual who has begun hormone treatments but has not had any surgery<\/p>\n<p>5) a biologically-male individual who has had surgery<\/p>\n<p>6) a biologically-female individual who has begun hormone therapy and has had \u201ctop\u201d surgery and from outside appearances is neither obviously male nor female but dresses in a masculine fashion<\/p>\n<p>7) a biologically-female individual who has had extensive surgery and whose hormone treatments have substantially altered the appearance, including beard, muscles, etc.<\/p>\n<p>8) an intersex person (that is, for whom ambiguousness about sex is a matter of biology, not any artificial hormones or surgeries)<\/p>\n<p>9) anyone who wants to be there and prefers it to the men\u2019s locker room.<\/p>\n<p>Let\u2019s get down to specifics, and the hard cases.<\/p>\n<p>ADDED: \u00a0to clarify, the \u201c7 year old girl\u201d is there not because of fears that girls are particularly at risk of being leered at, but because, last I checked, the consensus in our society was that girls at or past this age should not be exposed to naked men; that is, they should not be viewing penises. \u00a0At least, I presume this consensus still holds . . .<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Image:\u00a0https:\/\/commons.wikimedia.org\/wiki\/File%3AHK_%E5%A0%85%E5%B0%BC%E5%9C%B0%E5%9F%8E_Kennedy_Town_%E5%A3%AB%E7%BE%8E%E9%9D%9E%E8%B7%AF%E5%B8%82%E6%94%BF%E5%A4%A7%E5%BB%88_Smithfield_Municipal_Services_Building_%E6%9B%B4%E8%A1%A3%E5%AE%A4_changing_room_Sept-2011.jpg; By Limysei1235 (Own work) [CC BY-SA 3.0 (http:\/\/creativecommons.org\/licenses\/by-sa\/3.0)], via Wikimedia Commons<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Look, we all get it: \u00a0an individual who has transitioned is in a position where you can\u2019t just demand they use the locker rooms corresponding to their sex at birth. 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