{"id":948,"date":"2013-07-16T12:32:00","date_gmt":"2013-07-16T12:32:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/admin.patheos.com\/blogs\/janetheactuary\/2013\/07\/conversations-about-zimmerman-and-martin.html"},"modified":"2013-07-16T12:32:00","modified_gmt":"2013-07-16T12:32:00","slug":"conversations-about-zimmerman-and-martin","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/janetheactuary\/2013\/07\/conversations-about-zimmerman-and-martin.html","title":{"rendered":"Conversations about Zimmerman and Martin"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.althouse.blogspot.com\/2013\/07\/why-are-black-boys-expendable-is.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Ann Althouse has a conversation<\/a> \u2014 or tries to, at least.\u00a0 But it\u2019s rather difficult to do when you disagree on the basic facts of the case.<\/p>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0in 0in 0pt\"><span style=\"font-family: Calibri\">If the facts of the case are that Zimmerman attacked Martin, then the conversation we need to have is, in fact, \u201cjust because a black teenager wears a hoodie and behaves oddly is no reason to attack him.\u201d\u00a0 <\/span><\/div>\n<p><\/p>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0in 0in 0pt\"><span style=\"font-family: Calibri\">But if the facts of the case are that Martin attacked Zimmerman, then the conversation is \u201cwhat can we do about young black men who attack others?\u201d<\/span><\/div>\n<p><\/p>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0in 0in 0pt\"><span style=\"font-family: Calibri\">\u00a0<\/span><span style=\"font-family: Calibri\">A jury determined that the evidence supports the latter alternative, or at least, that that evidence in favor of the former alternative isn\u2019t strong enough to send a man to prison.\u00a0 We can\u2019t know, ultimately, what happened that night.\u00a0 What\u2019s the value in a \u201cnational conversation\u201d when it is impossible to establish the basic premises of the conversation?<\/span><\/div>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Ann Althouse has a conversation \u2014 or tries to, at least.\u00a0 But it\u2019s rather difficult to do when you disagree on the basic facts of the case. 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