{"id":3823,"date":"2018-12-21T17:23:10","date_gmt":"2018-12-21T22:23:10","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/admin.patheos.com\/blogs\/jaredingle\/?p=3823"},"modified":"2018-12-21T17:23:10","modified_gmt":"2018-12-21T22:23:10","slug":"creationism-and-theistic-evolution","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/jaredingle\/2018\/12\/creationism-and-theistic-evolution\/","title":{"rendered":"at the intersection of Creationism and Theistic Evolution"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p>We now turn slightly away from the discussions about a view of persons and the <em>imago Dei<\/em>.[1]\u00a0 This set of readings addresses the issue of God\u2019s involvement in the creation processes, particularly in the works of Christopher Southgate and John Jefferson Davis.[2]\n<figure id=\"attachment_3832\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-3832\" style=\"width: 158px\" class=\"wp-caption alignleft\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-3832 size-medium\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/989\/2018\/12\/12.21.18-IMG_0055-158x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"158\" height=\"300\"><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-3832\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">JVI | horse mask or missing link? | 10.31.18<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/p><p>More than likely, most of my readers will lean one way or the other.\u00a0 The ones who I know personally will more than likely lean toward Biblical creationism, or even scientific creationism, as I do.<\/p>\n<p>However, for one course I had to wade deep into the waters with Christian scientists who may hold a Biblical view to the best of their ability, and yet wrestle with ways to invite God to their workplace.\u00a0 They are reverent, while attempting to leave the door open for God to operate through secondary (evolutionary) means, if that is what God chooses.<\/p>\n<p>On some points, I do not find very much common ground.\u00a0 On the other hand, I do not have an \u201cus vs. them\u201d mentality either.\u00a0 I have found that there are many good Christians in this field, and that there seems to be more than enough room for God at the table, when discussing creation and\/or human origins.<\/p>\n<hr>\n<h1 style=\"text-align: center;\">Creationism and Theistic Evolution<\/h1>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Both Davis and Southgate explore the creation account, delineating a view of man created in God\u2019s image, <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">imago Dei<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">. \u00a0Likewise, both consider questions of science, physics, and quantum physics that open the door for dialogue about the existence of God.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">In modern times, Southgate shares seven questions central to science and religion:<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 60px;\"><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">First, how important is science to a theology of creation? . . . Second, how does God act in the world? . . . Third, what is God\u2019s relationship to time? . . . Fourth, what does the theology of creation mean for our care of the environment? . . . Fifth, how does the theology of creation relate to a theology of new creation? . . . Sixth, what is the importance of the Trinity for the theology of creation? . . . Seventh, what is the significance of human beings in creation?<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[3]<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Although Southgate does not explore these questions in depth, he does offer a brief description of each and the significant strains of thought associated with them. \u00a0At first, Southgate\u2019s perspective seems to be heavily Theological.\u00a0 As the book progresses, he turns more to science, exploring theories, and pointing out ways that God can be invited to the table.<\/span><\/p>\n<h3>i. Anomalies<\/h3>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">One of the ways Southgate opens the door for Theological discussion is by exploring anomalies. \u00a0Early on he cites the example of the human eye.\u00a0 \u201cHow could one doubt that the human eye had been made to see with? \u00a0Not until Darwin did that rhetorical question lose its force, and even Darwin confessed that he shivered whenever he thought of the eye.\u201d[4]<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Southgate eventually returns to anomalies, particularly in quantum mechanics, which are unexplainable by science. \u00a0\u201cBy the early 1920\u2019s then anomalies had grown into a gaping hole in the fabric of physics.\u201d[5]<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> \u00a0Southgate reviews these anomalies and postulates that there might be a transcendent world observer, a divine mind, or a divine observer who is at work in these quantum processes.[6]<\/span><\/p>\n<h3>ii. Ultimate Observer<\/h3>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Both Southgate and Davis review the <em>Anthropic Principles, Weak and Strong<\/em>. \u00a0Southgate reports on the proponents of the <em>Strong Anthropic Principle<\/em> (S.A.P.), who basically assume that something in the universe has allowed for life to develop, called the <em>Ultimate Observer<\/em>.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u201cIntelligent life-forms have cosmological significance by virtue of their future capacity to understand and manipulate matter on a cosmic scale.\u201d In other words, scientifically speaking, this theory makes room for a Creator.[7]<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> \u00a0Davis explains the S.A.P., \u201cThe universe is governed by a teleological, life directed principle that ensures that the basic physical requirements of human life are met.\u201d[8]<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Another way that God is invited into the conversation is either through the theory of God as an Intelligent Designer or as a God of the Gaps. \u00a0Southgate points out a number of ways the universe is so \u201cfine-tuned\u201d that any changes would be catastrophic.\u00a0 Whether one buys into the Biblical account of Creation or a form of the Big Bang, it is impossible to conceive of the world coming into existence without Divine aid.\u00a0 Davis explores the <em>Weak Anthropic Principle<\/em> (W.A.P.) at length and ties Intelligent Design into it.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Davis explains the \u201cTheory of Everything\u201d that scientists are searching for. \u00a0Apparently, if everything can be explained, then there is no need for a transcendent being. \u00a0In response, physicist James Trefil simply asks, \u201cWho made the laws of logic? . . . there will always be room for religious faith and for a religious interpretation of the physical world.\u201d[9]<\/span><\/p>\n<h3>iii. Creationism and Theistic Evolution<\/h3>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">In conclusion, both Southgate and Davis develop a strong theological understanding, particularly of man as one created in the image of God, <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">imago Dei<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Both espouse free will over determinism and predestination.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Both openly explore metaphysical questions in light of modern science.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">As far as integration, Southgate develops a strong Theology, then shifts to views of science that merely make room for the question of God. \u00a0On a couple of occasions, Davis does not use science to explain Theology, but as a means of illustrating it.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Both Southgate and Davis suggest types of Theistic evolution, i.e. God used secondary processes to create life and allow it to evolve.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">It is disheartening that scientific creationism is not even explored.<\/span><\/p>\n<hr>\n<h3>notes:<\/h3>\n[1] Other articles in this series so far:\n<p><a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/jaredingle\/2018\/09\/biblical-concept-of-personality\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><em>Toward a Biblical Concept of Personality<\/em><\/a><\/p>\n<p><a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/jaredingle\/2018\/10\/on-holism-holiness-and-wholeness\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><em>On Holism, Holiness, and Wholeness<\/em><\/a><\/p>\n<p><a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/jaredingle\/2018\/10\/adam-body\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><em>The Image, the Body, and Renewal<\/em><\/a><\/p>\n<p><a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/jaredingle\/2018\/10\/spirit\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><em>On the Mystery of Spirit and Salvation<\/em><\/a><\/p>\n<p><a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/jaredingle\/2018\/10\/regeneration-of-the-soul\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><em>The Regeneration of the Soul<\/em><\/a><\/p>\n<p><a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/jaredingle\/2018\/11\/motivation-and-the-will\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><em>Motivation and the Will<\/em><\/a><\/p>\n<p><a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/jaredingle\/2018\/11\/external-factors\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><em>External Factors of Personality<\/em><\/a><\/p>\n<p><em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/jaredingle\/2018\/11\/biblical-view-of-persons\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\" class=\" decorated-link\">Developing a Biblical View of Persons<\/a><\/em><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/jaredingle\/2018\/12\/imago-dei-and-biotechnology\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\" class=\" decorated-link\"><em>The Human Person: the imago Dei and biotechnology<\/em><\/a><\/p>\n[2] Jared V. Ingle, \u201cGod and Physics: Exploring the Thought of Christopher Southgate and John Jefferson Davis\u201d\u00a0(paper presented in,\u00a0<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><em>The Human Person: Multi-Disciplinary Perspectives<\/em>, Asbury Theological<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u00a0Seminary,\u00a0<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">March 6, 2011).<\/span>\n[3]\u00a0<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Christopher Southgate, <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">God, Humanity and the Cosmos<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> (New York: T &amp; T Clark International, 2005), 57-60.<\/span>\n<p>Amazon: <em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/0567524671\/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_bibl_vppi_i1?&amp;_encoding=UTF8&amp;tag=jcingle-20&amp;linkCode=ur2&amp;linkId=dfd543f12a7eae6bf64f86ae4a395d92&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\" class=\" decorated-link\">God, Humanity and the Cosmos<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border: none !important; margin: 0px !important;\" src=\"https:\/\/\/\/ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/e\/ir?t=jcingle-20&amp;l=ur2&amp;o=1\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\">\u00a0<\/em><\/p>\n[4] <span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Ibid., 76.<\/span>\n[5]\u00a0<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Ibid., 130.<\/span>\n[6]\u00a0<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Ibid., 135.<\/span>\n[7]\u00a0<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Ibid., 145.<\/span>\n[8]\u00a0<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">John Jefferson Davis, <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The Frontiers of Science and Faith: Examining Questions from the Big Bang to the End of the Universe<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> (Downers Grove, IL: InterVarsity Press, 2002), 131.<\/span>\n<p>Amazon: <em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/0830826645\/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_bibl_vppi_i7?&amp;_encoding=UTF8&amp;tag=jcingle-20&amp;linkCode=ur2&amp;linkId=0bb776f3330fe27290e9037c09df6495&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\" class=\" decorated-link\">The Frontiers of Science and Faith<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border: none !important; margin: 0px !important;\" src=\"https:\/\/\/\/ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/e\/ir?t=jcingle-20&amp;l=ur2&amp;o=1\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\">\u00a0<\/em><\/p>\n[9]\u00a0<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Ibid., 32.<\/span>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>We now turn slightly away from the discussions about a view of persons and the imago Dei.[1]\u00a0 This set of readings addresses the issue of God\u2019s involvement in the creation processes, particularly in the works of Christopher Southgate and John Jefferson Davis.[2] More than likely, most of my readers will lean one way or the [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":3509,"featured_media":3832,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[349],"tags":[344,367,299,426],"class_list":["post-3823","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-theology","tag-integration","tag-the-writings","tag-theology","tag-view-of-persons"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v21.1 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>at the intersection of Creationism and Theistic Evolution<\/title>\n<meta name=\"description\" content=\"Southgate points out a number of ways the universe is so \u201cfine-tuned\u201d that any changes would be catastrophic. 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