{"id":309,"date":"2014-03-13T15:46:07","date_gmt":"2014-03-13T20:46:07","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/jenniferfitz\/?p=309"},"modified":"2016-11-11T12:12:08","modified_gmt":"2016-11-11T17:12:08","slug":"on-suffering-should-we-be-atheists-because-we-suffer","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/jenniferfitz\/2014\/03\/on-suffering-should-we-be-atheists-because-we-suffer\/","title":{"rendered":"On Suffering: Should We Be Atheists Because We Suffer?"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>What is the Christian response to suffering? This is the second in a series, and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/jenniferfitz\/2014\/03\/on-suffering-what-would-jesus-do\/\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\">the first post is here<\/a>. People often ask, \u201cHow can a good God allow evil?\u201d\u00a0 We can approach the question from a number of directions, and before I continue, let me observe: Sometimes people who ask that question are really saying something else.<\/p>\n<p>What they mean is:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>This hurts.<\/li>\n<li>I feel like I am completely alone.<\/li>\n<li>I just want this nightmare to end.<\/li>\n<li>Help me.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>General rule: If you are at a funeral home, hospital bed, or crime scene, this is not the time to launch into a catechism lesson.\u00a0 Shut up and make yourself useful for a change.<\/p>\n<p>But let\u2019s say it is a catechism lesson that the questioner wants.\u00a0 One way to find an answer is to flip the question around.<\/p>\n<h2>What Can Suffering Tell Us About God?<\/h2>\n<p>Evil happens.\u00a0 Sickness, death, natural disasters.\u00a0 Lyme disease. Crocodiles. Rape, murder, incest.\u00a0 Genocide.\u00a0 Pillaging and burning.\u00a0 Bad things happen all the time, very bad things happen some of the time, and at least one bad thing (death) happens to everybody.\u00a0 What we believe about God does not change these facts.\u00a0 But these facts lead us to one of several possible conclusions about God.<\/p>\n<p><strong>1. There is no God?<\/strong> Maybe we\u2019re just very unlucky.\u00a0 We\u2019ve been born into some random universe, created by nobody at no time, and things just happen.\u00a0 The fact that we\u2019re even bothered by it all is just a random fluke of nature, and nature is nothing, really.\u00a0 It\u2019s all just there.\u00a0 No reason.\u00a0 No cause.<\/p>\n<p>The lack of a cause for the existence of anything is a bit of sticking point, logically, but the suffering isn\u2019t.\u00a0 We could have been born into a randomly good, perfectly happy un-caused universe.\u00a0 If it were possible for there to be no God, suffering would have nothing to do with it. Questions about the existence of God must lie elsewhere than in wondering about suffering.<\/p>\n<p><strong>2. There\u2019s an all-powerful god, and he hates us?<\/strong> This is a pretty obvious explanation for suffering, because it matches both the logic of existence \u2014 something or someone must have created this place \u2014 and it matches the facts of life: Cold, brutish, and short. It\u2019s not a very hopeful outlook, unless the god who hates us has an ounce of mercy and lets us lie peacefully in our graves after we\u2019ve been toyed with enough.\u00a0 Lie low, try not to make the god angry, and hope he gets distracted and leaves you alone? Or try to appease his bloodlust?\u00a0 I suppose if this is all you\u2019ve got, it\u2019s all you got.\u00a0 But there\u2019s evidence for a more hopeful reality.<\/p>\n<p><strong>3. There\u2019s a good god, but he\u2019s not all-powerful, and he\u2019s got competition.<\/strong> You might have been created by the good god, the good god might be rooting for you.\u00a0 Or not.\u00a0 But, sorry, your god has his limits.\u00a0 He can only do so much for you.\u00a0 You can be hopeful that maybe the good god at least can manage the afterlife half-decently, but you won\u2019t know until you get there.\u00a0 If this is your belief, you\u2019ve got lots of company, historically speaking.\u00a0 It does line up fairly well with the evidence we\u2019ve got.\u00a0 But let\u2019s look at door #4 and see if we can do better.<\/p>\n<p><strong>4. There\u2019s an all-powerful God, and He\u2019s Good and He loves us, but for some weird reason He allows suffering.<\/strong> This is the hardest to get your head around, because though it lines up with the evidence, it leaves us with a paradox: How on earth could a God both good and all-powerful allow suffering?\u00a0 It can\u2019t be because He\u2019s incapable of stopping it, like the god in #3. It can\u2019t be because He hates us, because that\u2019s god #2 (possibly with a mildly sadistic but not completely horrid bent, but really?).\u00a0 It can only be because, for some really, really strange reason, it turns out that allowing suffering is for our good.<\/p>\n<h2>What father would give his son a snake when he asked for a fish?<\/h2>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/usccb.org\/bible\/readings\/031314.cfm\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\" rel=\"nofollow\">Today\u2019s Gospel poses that question<\/a>:<em> If you then, who are wicked, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give good things to those who ask him. <\/em> It\u2019s a rhetorical question that assumes decent fathers.\u00a0 If you grew up with a father who was absent, abusive, or otherwise not doing his job, you may be at a loss with this passage.\u00a0 Or you may have some inkling of what our Lord is talking about, because you instinctively know that there\u2019s a different way to go about the fathering business, if only because you find you long for something other than what you had.<\/p>\n<p>So let\u2019s talk about what fathers do.\u00a0 Fathers are notoriously\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/weknowmemes.com\/2012\/10\/throwing-your-child-in-the-air-how-the-father-sees-it-vs-how-the-mother-sees-it\/\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\" rel=\"nofollow\">not coddlers<\/a>. In addition to providing for their children (see fish, loaves of bread, in today\u2019s Gospel) and disciplining their children, fathers give their children a measure of freedom.\u00a0\u00a0 Sure, go ahead, climb that tree.\u00a0 There\u2019s a balance, and a good father will try to lead his child into adulthood with as few broken bones as possible. But there reaches a point where you have to let the kid do his thing and learn the hard way.<\/p>\n<p>God gives us radical freedom.\u00a0 A freedom so radical that our actions have consequences, even to the point of being able to hurt others.\u00a0 A freedom so radical that Adam\u2019s &amp; Eve\u2019s actions were capable of breaking the whole world.<\/p>\n<h2>The Spoiled Child Paradox<\/h2>\n<p>Our tendency is to not want that freedom.\u00a0 That is, we want the freedom to do whatever we please, but not the freedom for our actions to be able to hurt ourselves and others.\u00a0 We want the freedom to conform the universe to our demands, but not the freedom that caused the universe to in fact conform itself to the demands of our first mother and father. We want the freedom to pursue happiness, but not the freedom of actually doing the work the pursuit of ultimate happiness requires.<\/p>\n<p>Is the world broken? Yes it is.\u00a0 Did God break it? No He did not.\u00a0 We did.\u00a0 He gave us the keys and we totaled it.<\/p>\n<h2>This is not what you wanted to hear.<\/h2>\n<p>In our rich fantasy lives, we\u2019d be able to stomp our feet and get a better god.\u00a0 One who existed, who was all-powerful, all-good, and somehow managed to not give us quite so much freedom.\u00a0 One who gave us a nice neat pleasant world at no cost, with no risks, no danger.\u00a0 A cross-free universe.\u00a0 The problem with the \u201cproblem of evil\u201d is that no amount of understanding the problem makes the evil go away.<\/p>\n<p>Understanding lets us be sane.\u00a0 It lets us know that there is meaning to our suffering. But it doesn\u2019t make the suffering go away.<\/p>\n<p>Hence, up above, the reminder that when someone is suffering, it\u2019s rarely helpful to hand them an essay when they\u2019ve asked for <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/billykangas\/\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" decorated-link\">a loaf of bread<\/a>.<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>\u00a0 What is the Christian response to suffering? This is the second in a series, and the first post is here. 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