{"id":1373,"date":"2006-06-02T05:29:48","date_gmt":"2006-06-02T10:29:48","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/community\/jesuscreed\/2006\/06\/02\/r-d-moores-kingdom-of-christ-2\/"},"modified":"2006-06-02T05:29:48","modified_gmt":"2006-06-02T10:29:48","slug":"r-d-moores-kingdom-of-christ-2","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/jesuscreed\/2006\/06\/02\/r-d-moores-kingdom-of-christ-2\/","title":{"rendered":"R.D. Moore’s Kingdom of Christ<\/em> 2"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<\/head>

I would say the second chp of Russell Moore\u2019s The Kingdom of the Christ<\/em> is the finest survey of how eschatology and kingdom have been studied by evangelicals, both dispensational and covenant, in the 20th Century. I lived through most of those days, and Moore\u2019s clearly-written and fairly-judged description is what many need to read \u2014 especially those who are in their 20s and 30s and who can\u2019t quite figure out why we think George Eldon Ladd is the bees-knees.
\nBlogging through a book is never easy, but blogging through a historical description is impossible, so I\u2019ll just make a few observations. Moore, as I said yesterday, is smitten with Carl Henry\u2019s works so much of this is both descriptive of debates about eschatology and how Henry saw the issues.
\nFirst, dispensationalism of a traditionist sort can be rightly chided, not without exception, for its cavalier attitude toward life in this world, and it springs from an inadequately shaped understanding of the kingdom of God. This led (and still leads some) to a \u201cthis world is not my home, I\u2019m just apassin\u2019 through\u201d attitude.
\nSecond, progressive dispensationalists have dodged that criticism, not by repackaging the old by genuinely advancing in the direction of George Ladd, who spent decades of his life arguing that NT eschatology and the kingdom message were both \u201cnow\u201d as well as a \u201cnot yet\u201d thing. (I have observed before that settling this time question, and Ladd gets this right, does not go far enough. We also need to define what it is that is \u201cnow\u201d and what is \u201cnot yet.\u201d I do some of this in A New Vision for Israel<\/em>, even if not always in as clear as prose as I\u2019d now like it to be.)
\nThird, old-fashioned covenant theologians had too much of a realized, spiritual view of kingdom, making kingdom not all that far from personal redemption. But the more recent covenantal folks, like Poythress and others, who have dipped into Gerhardus Vos and Abraham Kuyper for some new fuels, are revising that, and they, too, have come much closer to George Ladd\u2019s famous studies.
\nFourth, which means we are now at a point where evangelicals, esp those of a more conservative orientation (which is those in the scope of Moore\u2019s book), are agreed that Ladd got it right \u2014 not in everything, but certainly in the big picture. If he got this right, then there is a new consensus for a new day for discussion how Christians can frame a kingdom theology and do so in such a way to engage the culture on the basis of that theology.
\nI want to say that I think Moore is right here; and I think this is the sort of thing that the emerging movement is also trying to do; and I hope many of my friends in the emerging movement will engage Russell Moore, even if they disagree with some of his proposals. What he wants is what they want: a robust theology of the kingdom shaping the Church.
\nLast, I wish Moore would address the moderate and left evangelical view of these matters, for not only is there a consensus now among conservative evangelicals, but with moderates there is also one: we, too, think of eschatology as both now and not yet. What I would say is that much of what Moore has done so far \u2014 and his own themes of the meaning of \u201ckingdom now\u201d will surely vary from what I\u2019m about to say \u2014 is consistent with what he calls the evangelical left, and he points here to Sider and Wallis (and I\u2019d not put Sider on the left; Wallis is left; Sider is a moderate on this issue). In other words, I firmly believe that many of us will say at the end of chp 2 this: \u201cWe\u2019ve stood with Ladd all along.\u201d Now whether or not we will agree with Moore in the rest of his book, as he lays out a Laddian\/Henryan theory of kingdom, the point needs to be made that some in the evangelical left and nearly all in the moderate evangelical camp have for a long time had a robust now and not-yet theology of the kingdom.
\nWhich leads me to say that I\u2019m excited again for what comes next in this book.<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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