{"id":1447,"date":"2006-06-20T04:20:33","date_gmt":"2006-06-20T09:20:33","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/community\/jesuscreed\/2006\/06\/20\/j-fryes-jesus-the-pastor-8\/"},"modified":"2006-06-20T04:20:33","modified_gmt":"2006-06-20T09:20:33","slug":"j-fryes-jesus-the-pastor-8","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/jesuscreed\/2006\/06\/20\/j-fryes-jesus-the-pastor-8\/","title":{"rendered":"J. Frye’s Jesus the Pastor<\/em> 8"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<\/head>

This is my last post on J. Frye\u2019s wonderful book, Jesus the Pastor<\/em>. I will do the final three chps today, and hope I\u2019ve not said more than I should about this fine book. Chps 10 and 11 deal with the palpable presence of Jesus Christ in our lives and with the gifts of the Spirit.
\nA theme in this book is one I will not forget: theology, when done right, transcends information, articulation, proposition, and creed. Theology is incomplete until it it becomes worship, obedience, love, holiness \u2014 in real life, in real relationships, and in real transformation.
\nChp 10, on the presence of God, has to be seen in light of the above theme and the background John had that he relates at times in the book: he grew up cessationist (the gifts of the Spirit ceased after the apostolic age). I don\u2019t think John calls himself charismatic, but he might just as well. John calls cessationism the \u201cvasectomy of the Spirit\u201d (142). A word picture that won\u2019t go away. He deals pastorally with the problems, and I have to admit that this is part of the Church that is simply no longer a part of my experience.
\nI also believe these two chps reflect the place John was when he wrote this book, but they reflect a path on which he has now traveled in a more emerging direction. There are clear indicators that this was the path he was on: one word I\u2019d use for much of John\u2019s theology about pastoring is wha Stephen Shields calls \u201ctranspropositionality.\u201d We\u2019ve got to get beyond being right to becoming good, to living the good and to being the truth in community.
\nI will leave the last chp to you, the reader: it tells a deeply personal story about John that you\u2019ll just have to read. It would be unfair of me to try to tell what he has told so well himself.
\nHey, John, great book. Time for a book called \u201cJesus the Emergent Pastor.\u201d<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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