{"id":1756,"date":"2006-10-04T02:30:03","date_gmt":"2006-10-04T07:30:03","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/community\/jesuscreed\/2006\/10\/04\/women-and-ministry-headship-from-home-to-church\/"},"modified":"2006-10-04T02:30:03","modified_gmt":"2006-10-04T07:30:03","slug":"women-and-ministry-headship-from-home-to-church","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/jesuscreed\/2006\/10\/04\/women-and-ministry-headship-from-home-to-church\/","title":{"rendered":"Women and Ministry: Headship from Home to Church?"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p>In chp 2 of RT France, <em>Women in the Church\u2019s Ministry<\/em>, the subject of <em>authority <\/em>is addressed. France contends that at the bottom of the discussion about the role of women in ministry among evangelicals in the Anglican communion was the issue of authority. <!--more|inline--><br>\nIs the issue, at bottom, one of authority \u2014 preservation of authority, fear of switching authority, etc? Do you think this is why most are opposed to women in ministry? (I originally had a slightly longer version of this post; I\u2019ve reduced it.)<br>\nThe singular issue he probes here is what the NT says about \u201cheadship\u201d and whether or not such headship, which is clearly taught for the home (whatever \u201cheadship\u201d means), shifts from home relations to social and church relations. In other words, do the NT writers appeal to \u201cheadship\u201d issues when it comes to discerning what women can do in ministry? (France argues, and I anticipate here, probably not.) Here are his conclusions:<br>\nFirst, there is a sense of \u201corder\u201d in the NT concept of \u201csubmission\u201d \u2014 that is, it means to live in the order established, but he does not leave this sense there. Hence, order is linked to a \u201ccall for mutual responsibility and indeed mutual submission\u201d (47). He points to 1 Corinthians 11:11-12 and Ephesians 5:21.<br>\nSecond, whatever headship means at home, that category is not used to discern the activities of women in public.<br>\nThird, when \u201csubmit\u201d is used in the context of ministry\/church \u2014 which occurs only in 1 Cor 14:34-35 and 1 Tim 2:11-12, the first refers to \u201chusbands and wives\u201d and probably not men and women in general. The second could refer to husbands and wives, but may not mean that. Some today \u2014 perhaps many \u2014 think both passages are about husbands and wives (not men and women) and their relationship in the local church \u2014 and many would also add to this that cultural expectations both influenced Paul and have changed.<br>\nFourth, 1 Cor 11:2-16 (head covering passage) is about how women dress in public (church) and not about leadership and ministry. What is most notable about 1 Cor 11 is that Paul clearly permits a woman to exercise the gift of prophecy in public \u2014 which entails Spirit-inspiration and authority.<br>\nThus, <em>1 Cor 11 according to France actually moves against the view that 1 Cor 11 restricts ministry; it actually permits ministry<\/em>.<br>\nHermeneutically \u2026 France asks (but does not answer in this chp) if the \u201corder\u201d of these passages is transcultural and if these passages apply in the same way to an egalitarian worldview?  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