{"id":17893,"date":"2011-06-27T13:04:11","date_gmt":"2011-06-27T18:04:11","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/community\/jesuscreed\/?p=17893"},"modified":"2011-06-27T13:04:11","modified_gmt":"2011-06-27T18:04:11","slug":"comments-on-nys-decision-on-same-sex-marriage","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/jesuscreed\/2011\/06\/27\/comments-on-nys-decision-on-same-sex-marriage\/","title":{"rendered":"Comments on NY&#8217;s Decision on Same-Sex Marriage"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p>First, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.nationalreview.com\/articles\/270518\/gay-marriage-libertarians-and-civil-rights-george-weigel?page=1\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><strong>George Weigel\u2019s<\/strong><\/a> salty comments on NY voting for same-sex marriage: \u201cWhat  the gay lobby  proposes in the matter of marriage is precisely the  opposite of this.  Marriage, as both religious and secular thinkers have  acknowledged for  millennia, is a social institution that is older than  the state and  that precedes the state. The task of a just state is to  recognize and  support this older, prior social institution; it is not to  attempt its  redefinition. To do the latter involves indulging the  totalitarian  temptation that lurks within all modern states: the  temptation to  remanufacture reality. The American civil-rights movement  was a call to  recognize moral reality; the call for gay marriage is a  call to  reinvent reality to fit an agenda of personal willfulness. The   gay-marriage movement is thus not the heir of the civil-rights movement;   it is the heir of Bull Connor and others who tried to impose their   false idea of moral reality on others by coercive state power.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Second, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/community\/karenspearszacharias\/2011\/06\/27\/yeah-but-can-they-stay-married\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><strong>Karen Zacharias<\/strong><\/a>: \u201cI\u2019ve never understood why Christians are supposed to be appalled at the notion of Gay people marrying. You\u2019d think if we were going to be appalled over something it would be the divorce rate in this country. But then that might really step on some toes, if we started making divorced people feel bad for being divorced.\u00a0 To be clear, I don\u2019t think the Church \u2014 any church \u2014 ought to be forced to marry Gay people, or any other people for that matter. I believe the State has no business telling the Church what to do. Same goes for the Church. My mama and daddy didn\u2019t marry in a church but they managed to build a decent union all the same. I have no problem with Gay people getting married in New York or anywhere else. It\u2019s a civil matter as far as I\u2019m concerned. I don\u2019t see what the big fuss is all about. I think Gay people are going to finally figure out what the rest of us have known for a long time: It\u2019s not getting married that\u2019s the problem. It\u2019s figuring out how to stay married. I\u2019ll be curious to see if Gay people do any better a job at staying happily married than the rest of us do.\u201d And\u2026<!--more--><\/p>\n<p>Third, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.christianpost.com\/news\/moral-revolution-new-york-state-legalizes-same-sex-marriage-51607\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><strong>Al Mohler<\/strong><\/a>: \u201cBut what this statement really means is that many Americans, including many in the political class, simply fold their moral convictions when they conflict with the lifestyles or convictions of a friend or relative. Thus far, whenever the people of a state have had their say, marriage has been defended as the union of a man and a woman. Same-sex marriage has been made legal by courts (such as in\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.christianpost.com\/region\/iowa\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Iowa<\/a>and\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.christianpost.com\/region\/massachusetts\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Massachusetts<\/a>) and by legislatures in some northeastern states. If current trends continue, the American map of marriage will reveal a deep and consequential division between states which recognize same-sex marriage and those who do not. Given the central importance of marriage to our civilization and\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.christianpost.com\/topics\/culture\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">culture<\/a>, it is hard to imagine how such a mixed moral landscape can last. Add to this the fact that President Obama has instructed his own Attorney General not to defend the Defense of Marriage Act in courts. In the end, it is difficult to know how one can exaggerate the importance of the New York\u2019s shift on marriage. New York is not merely a highly populous state \u2013 it also includes the nation\u2019s most significant city in terms of economics, business, and cultural influence. The legalization of same-sex marriage represents nothing less than a moral revolution, for what the law allows and recognizes, it also approves. Last Friday was a sad day for marriage and, if the advocates of same-sex marriage are right, it was also a sign of things to come.\u201d<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>First, George Weigel\u2019s salty comments on NY voting for same-sex marriage: \u201cWhat the gay lobby proposes in the matter of marriage is precisely the opposite of this. Marriage, as both religious and secular thinkers have acknowledged for millennia, is a social institution that is older than the state and that precedes the state. 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