{"id":1793,"date":"2006-10-12T02:21:59","date_gmt":"2006-10-12T07:21:59","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/community\/jesuscreed\/2006\/10\/12\/in-god-un-god-5\/"},"modified":"2006-10-12T02:21:59","modified_gmt":"2006-10-12T07:21:59","slug":"in-god-un-god-5","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/jesuscreed\/2006\/10\/12\/in-god-un-god-5\/","title":{"rendered":"In-God, Un-God 5"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p>Chp 6 of LeRon Shults\u2019 absolutely breath-taking (and not easy to read) book <em>Reforming the Doctrine of God<\/em> deals with \u201creviving trinitarian doctrine.\u201d The recent revival of trinitarian thought shows an affinity for the Cappadocians, and also for Luther and Calvin (as compared to the Protestant Scholastics). <!--more|inline--><br>\nAgain, if the East tended toward subordinationism, the West tended toward modalism (or tri-theism). How central is the Trinity to your, or even to your local community of faith\u2019s, understanding of the gospel?<br>\nHere are some central ideas of this chp.<br>\nIf substantia (Latin \u201csubstance\u201d) corresponds to ousia (Greek \u201cbeing\u201d), so persona corresponds to hypostases. The major idea here for the Eastern fathers is that the divine essence is [\u201cis\u201d not \u201chas\u201d] the dynamic relations of the persons in and through one another. Hence, there is a much more basic relationality to the persons. The view that the East did not see was that there was a basic \u201cessence\u201d (ousia) with three particular instances (hypostases), but three persons in utter interrelationality.<br>\nShults then skirts through the medieval and Reformation statements where the relationality theme appears, then he moves on to K. Barth, C. Gunton, J. Moltmann, and then to R. Jenson, E. Jungel, and W. Pannenberg. Then to Rahner, Zizioulias, and feminist\/liberationists.<br>\nHis conclusion is called \u201crobust trinity.\u201d \u201cTrue human personhood is participation in the robustly relational divine nature that takes shape as a sharing in the Son\u2019s way of being-in-relation to the Father and the Spirit\u201d (163).<br>\nThis will be developed \u2014 and Shults can take us deep \u2014 and the journey is worth it. 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