{"id":27082,"date":"2012-04-13T00:05:35","date_gmt":"2012-04-13T05:05:35","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/jesuscreed\/?p=27082"},"modified":"2012-04-13T09:28:34","modified_gmt":"2012-04-13T14:28:34","slug":"justification-among-the-liberals","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/jesuscreed\/2012\/04\/13\/justification-among-the-liberals\/","title":{"rendered":"Justification among the Liberals"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/40\/2012\/04\/Screen-shot-2012-04-08-at-9.36.21-AM.png\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft size-medium wp-image-27083\" title=\"Screen shot 2012-04-08 at 9.36.21 AM\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/40\/2012\/04\/Screen-shot-2012-04-08-at-9.36.21-AM-205x300.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"205\" height=\"300\"><\/a>No one really speaks for liberals; liberalism is so diverse no one represents it all. Except F.D.E. Schleiermacher, the father of liberal theology. In a world coming of age, or moving from one age to another, Schleiermacher, raised among the Moravian Pietists of Germany\u2019s Lutheran church, sought to communicate the Christian faith in a way that knew the limits of science but explored the dimensions of religious experience.<\/p>\n<p>Which leads us to Alan J. Spence\u2019s sketch of how Schleiermacher understood justification in his book <strong><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/0567077519\/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=musionscieand-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0567077519\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><em>Justification: A Guide for the Perplexed<\/em><\/a><\/strong>, and it should be remembered that Lutheranism and justification by faith are almost synonymous. The justification worldview Spence outlines \u2014 God as judge, humans as sinners deserving condemnation, God\u2019s gracious restoration of humans to being right with God by divine declaration on the basis of what Christ alone has done, our reception of that judgment by faith \u2014 comes into serious conflict with Schleiermacher\u2019s worldview and justification in the liberal tradition would never again be the same. Schleiermacher\u2019s famous book is called <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/1937002039\/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=musionscieand-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=1937002039\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><em>The Christian Faith<\/em><\/a>.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>What factors in liberalism come into play that reorient the meaning of justification?<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Spence\u2019s contention, and this is a well-worn meme in theological studies, is that Schleiermacher\u2019s theology explored not the objective reality of God, or even the objective reality of Scripture, but the subjective world of spirituality. Thus, \u201cthe appropriate subject-matter of theology is human spirituality or piety\u201d (95). [So much of the contemporary discussion of \u201cspirituality\u201d is a Schleiermachian kind of exploration, and this approach provides the widest possible field for ecumenical unity \u2014 exploring religious experience permits various religions to communicate across the spectrum.]<!--more--><\/p>\n<p>The essence of this Schleiermachian approach is his famous expression: \u201cthe consciousness of being absolutely dependent\u201d (95). Systematic theology in his hands is all re-expressed in light of that consciousness.<\/p>\n<p>Faith in God? \u201cnothing but the certainty concerning the feeling of absolute dependence\u201d (97). Sin? When \u201cGod-consciousness\u2026. determines our self-consciousness as pain\u201d (97). It is a consciousness of estrangement. Justice of God? This is an \u201cordained \u2026 connexion between evil and actual sin\u201d (98) \u2014 in other words, the correlation of evil and injustice and our lack of God-consciousness. So the justice of God for Schleiermacher seems to be entirely retributive. God\u2019s justice holds back sin before the coming of redemption.<\/p>\n<p>Person and work of Christ? What makes Jesus unique is his singular and absolute God-consciousness so his work is to draw us into his God-consciousness. His difference then is one of degree, not kind. He alone originates this God-consciousness though; ours is derivative from his.<\/p>\n<p>Salvation is communicated through the community that forms a continuity with the God-consciousness of Jesus. He was against what he called a \u201cmagical\u201d view of salvation: double imputation, transference of our sin to him or his standing to us, something from the 1st Century impacting us now \u2026 thus the death of Jesus is not of value to our salvation now; it is not atoning.<\/p>\n<p>So, now, what about justification? It is about our self-consciousness changing and forgiveness is a new kind of consciousness toward God, not about something God does for us.<\/p>\n<p>Spence: \u201cThe outward shape of a Protestant understanding of justification is present in Schleiermacher\u2019s presentation. But the heart of it has been removed\u201d (107). It is not an act of God but a perception by humans.<\/p>\n<p>The words of <del>Reinhold<\/del> H. Richard Niebuhr loom: \u201cA God without wrath brought men without sin into a kingdom without judgement through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross\u201d (108; from Niebuhr, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/081956222X\/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=musionscieand-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=081956222X\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><em>The Kingdom of God in America<\/em><\/a>, 193).<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>No one really speaks for liberals; liberalism is so diverse no one represents it all. Except F.D.E. Schleiermacher, the father of liberal theology. In a world coming of age, or moving from one age to another, Schleiermacher, raised among the Moravian Pietists of Germany\u2019s Lutheran church, sought to communicate the Christian faith in a way [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":197,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[17012],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-27082","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-justification"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v21.1 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>Justification among the Liberals<\/title>\n<meta name=\"description\" content=\"No one really speaks for liberals; liberalism is so diverse no one represents it all. Except F.D.E. Schleiermacher, the father of liberal theology. 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