{"id":3630,"date":"2007-12-18T00:30:52","date_gmt":"2007-12-18T05:30:52","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/community\/jesuscreed\/2007\/12\/18\/the-wisdom-of-the-anglicans-2\/"},"modified":"2007-12-18T00:30:52","modified_gmt":"2007-12-18T05:30:52","slug":"the-wisdom-of-the-anglicans-2","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/jesuscreed\/2007\/12\/18\/the-wisdom-of-the-anglicans-2\/","title":{"rendered":"The Wisdom of the Anglicans 2"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p>I tire, as many of you no doubt do too, of the word Episcopalian meaning \u201cdebate about gays and lesbians.\u201d There is much more to the Episcopal church and the Anglican Communion worldwide than this debate, but it has garnered all the media\u2019s attention. Here\u2019s my question for the day:<!--more|inline--><br>\nIf you were to find an image for these four Anglicans, what would it be?<br>\nCS Lewis<br>\nJRW Stott<br>\nNT Wright<br>\nRowan Williams<br>\nI suggested Stott was a diamond cutter. Any images for the others?<br>\nRowan Williams, Archbishop of Canterbury, has a new book called <em><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/redirect.html?ie=UTF8&amp;location=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2FTokens-Trust-Introduction-Christian-Belief%2Fdp%2F0664232132%3Fie%3DUTF8%26s%3Dbooks%26qid%3D1197556729%26sr%3D1-1&amp;tag=jescre-20&amp;linkCode=ur2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Tokens of Trust<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.assoc-amazon.com\/e\/ir?t=jescre-20&amp;l=ur2&amp;o=1\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\" alt=\"\" style=\"border:none !important;margin:0px !important\"><\/em>. It is a sketch of his ideas connected to the Apostles\u2019 Creed and Nicene Creed.<br>\nI\u2019ve read three or four books of Williams. For me, in each one, I went from \u201cbrilliant\u201d to \u201cwandering\u201d in many of the chapters. In this book, too. Parts of it are breathtakingly insightful while at other times I\u2019m saying to myself, \u201cJust say it and get on with it \u2026 What are you getting at? \u2026 Why bring this up here?\u201d<br>\nStill, along with the rich art of David Jones, this book makes for a ruminating reflection on the Apostles\u2019 Creed.<br>\nThe whole is place in the grid of who can we trust \u2026 the trustworthiness of God that we learn by seeing others trust God. He comes up with all kinds of interesting ideas \u2026 like God\u2019s almightiness meaning that God is nowhere absent, that God is always relevant to our situation and that God can be relied upon \u2014 always. Those who live by trusting that God show us a world in which we might want to live. Creation lets us see a world in relation to God. He explores freedom and whether we want a world where bad things can\u2019t happen, a world with a \u201cperpetual safety net\u201d (41). He explores prayer \u2026 not as magic but as tapping into what God is always doing.<br>\nIn a chp about Jesus, \u201ca man for all seasons,\u201d he says: \u201cTrust this, live in Jesus\u2019 company, and you become a citizen of a new world, the world in which God\u2019s rule has arrived\u201d (58). \u201cTo belong to God \u2026 is bound up with being committed to Jesus\u201d (60).<br>\n\u201cIn other words,\u201d as he ruminates on christology for a new day, \u201cChristians approach Jesus now as though he were completely with God, associated with God, able to do what God does, and so correctly as addressed as if he were God\u201d (63). I\u2019d say that and more \u2026 \u201cas though\u201d and \u201cas if he were\u201d (that\u2019s an unreal condition Archbishop) \u2014 and more.<br>\nThe lines in the creed about Jesus\u2019 death are explored through the image of \u201cThe Peace Dividend.\u201d He\u2019s willing to say he\u2019s \u201ccarrying the burden of our sin \u2014 bearing the results of what we habitually do\u201d but I\u2019d like him to say it, say it more clearly. He get close to Girard\u2019s stuff here but wants to avoid all theories of atonement \u2026 \u201cOur theories \u2026 are likely to be convoluted and unsatisfactory; but all we need to know is that whatever it took \u2014 and takes \u2014 for us to be set free from oru destructive and deceitful traps <em>has been done<\/em> through what happened on Good Friday\u201d (88).<br>\nOne has to read Rowan Williams carefully because he nuances at times into dizziness. If Stott is a diamond cutter, Williams is like a painter who sees a mountain, approaches it from all angles from great distances and then gives us a version of each side \u2026 when you are done you get it but you  see the mountain as if in a Monet painting.<br>\nWhat an interesting place the Anglican world is. Lewis, Stott, Wright and Williams. Four of my favorites. For different reasons. The genius of the Anglicans is difference.<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I tire, as many of you no doubt do too, of the word Episcopalian meaning \u201cdebate about gays and lesbians.\u201d There is much more to the Episcopal church and the Anglican Communion worldwide than this debate, but it has garnered all the media\u2019s attention. 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