{"id":3868,"date":"2008-02-08T00:30:13","date_gmt":"2008-02-08T05:30:13","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/community\/jesuscreed\/2008\/02\/08\/surprised-by-hope-8\/"},"modified":"2008-02-08T00:30:13","modified_gmt":"2008-02-08T05:30:13","slug":"surprised-by-hope-8","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/jesuscreed\/2008\/02\/08\/surprised-by-hope-8\/","title":{"rendered":"Surprised by Hope 8"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p>(Say the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.jesuscreed.org\/?p=3425\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Jesus Creed<\/a> daily during Lent.)<br>\nDoes Tom Wright believe in the Second Coming? That question has been asked since Tom wrote his exceptional book on Jesus called <em><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/redirect.html?ie=UTF8&amp;location=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2FJesus-Victory-Christian-Origins-Question%2Fdp%2F0800626826%3Fie%3DUTF8%26s%3Dbooks%26qid%3D1202086924%26sr%3D1-1&amp;tag=jescre-20&amp;linkCode=ur2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Jesus and the Victory of God<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.assoc-amazon.com\/e\/ir?t=jescre-20&amp;l=ur2&amp;o=1\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\" alt=\"\" style=\"border:none !important;margin:0px !important\"><\/em>. I recall a conversation I had with my teacher and former colleague, Grant Osborne, about this. Does he? Here\u2019s what Tom says.<!--more|inline--><br>\n\u201cLet me say it emphatically \u2026 the second coming has not yet occurred.\u201d Tom denies he is a preterist. \u201cJesus,\u201d he says about our future, \u201cwill be personally present, the dead will be rasied, and the living Christians will be transformed\u201d (133).<br>\nSo, Tom does believe in the Second Coming, but it doesn\u2019t mean what many think it means:<br>\n1. The Son of Man \u201ccoming\u201d refers to Jesus\u2019 vindication before the Ancient of Days along with the saints.<br>\n2. The King returning refers, not to Jesus\u2019 return, but to God returning to Zion.<br>\nThese two views created confusion about Tom\u2019s views. He is speaking here of what Jesus taught.<br>\n3. The rest of the NT teaches the presence and appearing of Jesus, but this does not mean he will descend on clouds from the heavens and light atop the Temple in Jerusalem.<br>\n4. Parousia means not \u201ccoming\u201d but \u201cpresence,\u201d in both a divine, saving presence and a royal presence.<br>\n5. The \u201crapture\u201d text in 1 Thess 4 is a metaphor for the Presence\/Appearing of Christ and the greeting of Christ by his followers \u2014 the Church \u2014 who, as a colony\u2019s citizens did, will leave the city to greet the Emperor. They are the same as 1 Cor 15:23-27, 51-54 and Phil 3:20-21.<br>\nHere\u2019s a conclusion: \u201cThe promise is not that Jesus will simply reappear within the present world order, but that when heaven and earth are joined together in the new way God has promised, then he will appear to us \u2014 and we will appear to him, and to one another, in our own true identity\u201d (135).<br>\nThus, \u201cin the great renewal of the world that Easter itself foreshadowed, Jesus himself will be personally present and will be the agent and model of the transformation that will happen both to the whole world and also to believers\u201d (136).<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>(Say the Jesus Creed daily during Lent.) Does Tom Wright believe in the Second Coming? That question has been asked since Tom wrote his exceptional book on Jesus called Jesus and the Victory of God. 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