{"id":4334,"date":"2008-06-06T00:30:21","date_gmt":"2008-06-06T05:30:21","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/community\/jesuscreed\/2008\/06\/06\/christian-realism-4\/"},"modified":"2008-06-06T00:30:21","modified_gmt":"2008-06-06T05:30:21","slug":"christian-realism-4","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/jesuscreed\/2008\/06\/06\/christian-realism-4\/","title":{"rendered":"Christian Realism 4"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p><em>Ag man<\/em> (as they say in South Africa), Stackhouse (<em><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/redirect.html?ie=UTF8&amp;location=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2FMaking-Best-Following-Christ-World%2Fdp%2F0195173589%3Fie%3DUTF8%26s%3Dbooks%26qid%3D1211833361%26sr%3D1-1&amp;tag=jescre-20&amp;linkCode=ur2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Making the Best of It<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.assoc-amazon.com\/e\/ir?t=jescre-20&amp;l=ur2&amp;o=1\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\" alt=\"\" style=\"border:none !important;margin:0px !important\"><\/em>) writes about some seminal thinkers \u2026 CS Lewis, Reinhold Niebuhr, and Dietrich Bonhoeffer. I began reading Bonhoeffer in college, read three more of his books the summer after college, and have since begun purchasing and reading his collected works. When I taught beginning Greek at Trinity in the summer (crash) course, we began class each day with a few pages from Bonhoeffer\u2019s <em>Life Together<\/em>. Stackhouse finds plenty in Bonhoeffer to work with as he builds his view of Christian realism. I relish discussions of Bonhoeffer. <!--more|inline--><br>\n<a class=\"imagelink decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.jesuscreed.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2008\/05\/bonhoeffer.jpg\" title=\"bonhoeffer.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.jesuscreed.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2008\/05\/bonhoeffer.thumbnail.jpg\" alt=\"bonhoeffer.jpg\"><\/a><br>\nI shall never forget being physically moved when I read the first time the account of his last moments. In many ways, Bonhoeffer\u2019s last moments bring to realization the very project Stackhouse is describing. How have you been impacted by Bonhoeffer? And, in particular, how has your view of Christ and culture been impacted by him?<br>\nStackhouse sketches the major themes of Bonhoeffer\u2019s theology\/legacy: Christ, Word of God, Discipleship. Then some themes: Christ as Lord of the world, religionless Christianity, ambiguity, paradox and responsiblity, and then the future in realistic hope.<br>\n\u201cTeaching about Christ begins in silence\u2026. silence before the Word.\u201d<br>\nWord of God: doesn\u2019t permit us to separate Word from Christ (as so many do today).<br>\nDiscipleship: wow, where to begin. The Cost of Discipleship is legendary (<em><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/redirect.html?ie=UTF8&amp;location=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2Fgp%2Fsearch%2F%3Fsearch-alias%3Dstripbooks%26unfiltered%3D1%26field-keywords%3D%26field-author%3DBonhoeffer%252C%2Bdietrich%26field-title%3D%26field-isbn%3D%26field-publisher%3D%26node%3D%26url%3D%26field-binding%3D%26field-subject%3D%26field-language%3D%26field-dateop%3D%26field-datemod%3D%26field-dateyear%3D%26sort%3Drelevancerank%26Adv-Srch-Books-Submit.x%3D0%26Adv-Srch-Books-Submit.y%3D0&amp;tag=jescre-20&amp;linkCode=ur2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Bonhoeffer\u2019s books<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.assoc-amazon.com\/e\/ir?t=jescre-20&amp;l=ur2&amp;o=1\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\" alt=\"\" style=\"border:none !important;margin:0px !important\"><\/em>).  Cheap grace.<br>\n\u201cOnly the believers obey, and only the obedient believe.\u201d<br>\nChrist is the center; our relationship to him relates to the real world through him.<br>\nHe doesn\u2019t opt for the simple two kingdoms stuff of Luther. The reality of God places us into the reality of the world. Here he becomes profoundly realistic.<br>\nBonhoeffer\u2019s pacifism gives way to a realism that led him to participate in the assassination of Hitler.<br>\nOr this: We mustn\u2019t try to be more pious than the God who made this world and put us in this world.<br>\nReligionless Christianity: Stackhouse prefers the standard view here; the undoing of state and institutional Christianity in Germany. He struggles with the need, at times, to sin in order to do God\u2019s will: \u201cBefore God and with God we live without God.\u201d (Famous statement by Bonhoeffer)<br>\nBut, this too: \u201cJesus is hardly ever involved in solving worldly problems \u2026 Since Jesus brings the redemption of human beings, rather than the solution to problems, he indeed brings the the solution to all human problems.\u201d<br>\nHere\u2019s his realism in full display:<br>\n1. We never fulfill our responsibility perfectly.<br>\n2. We may have to do things not done by others.<br>\n3. We may have to do what others think is evil in order to do good.<br>\n4. We must confess our sins.  \u201c\u2026 responsible action involves both willingness to become guilty and freedom.\u201d<br>\nBonhoeffer\u2019s ethic developed from Discipleship to Ethics \u2026 from obedience to Torah to ambiguity and discernment. A Christ-focused existentialism.<br>\nTony Jones, if you are out there and reading this, is the kind of realism you adhere to?<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Ag man (as they say in South Africa), Stackhouse (Making the Best of It) writes about some seminal thinkers \u2026 CS Lewis, Reinhold Niebuhr, and Dietrich Bonhoeffer. I began reading Bonhoeffer in college, read three more of his books the summer after college, and have since begun purchasing and reading his collected works. 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