{"id":5,"date":"2010-09-01T04:20:41","date_gmt":"2010-09-01T09:20:41","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/community\/jesuscreed\/?p=5"},"modified":"2010-09-01T05:16:23","modified_gmt":"2010-09-01T10:16:23","slug":"evangelical-roman-catholics","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/jesuscreed\/2010\/09\/01\/evangelical-roman-catholics\/","title":{"rendered":"Evangelical Roman Catholics?"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p>Some of you will observe that the RSS feed is not giving a full text but only an excerpt. Patheos and I are in discussion about this, but for now we are asking you to come to the site to get the full read. Please be patient with this approach and we\u2019ll go one step at a time. We had to walk through this process at Beliefnet, too, and I\u2019m sure over time we\u2019ll find what is best for all of us. Thanks.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/wp.patheos.com\/community\/sites\/40\/2010\/08\/Papal.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft size-medium wp-image-16\" title=\"Papal\" src=\"https:\/\/wp.patheos.com\/community\/sites\/40\/2010\/08\/Papal-215x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"215\" height=\"300\"><\/a><a href=\"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/Resources\/Additional-Resources\/There-and-Back-Again-The-Roman-Catholic-Church-in-Americas-Next-Decade.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">Hugh Hewitt<\/a>, in a series on the Patheos site, spoke a few times about \u201cevangelical Roman Catholics.\u201d I have no desire here to raise the hackles of the Reformation or get into a tussle with Catholics, but I want to make a claim that it is unwise and unhelpful to affix \u201cevangelical\u201d to \u201cRoman Catholic.\u201d The term \u201cevangelical\u201d needs a more narrow definition and not a more expansive one. That\u2019s my thesis, and here\u2019s why I make this claim.<\/p>\n<p>The word \u201cevangelical,\u201d while it can be a simple biblical expression, as in the \u201cevangel\u201d or the \u201cevangelical\u201d message of the apostle Paul, has been used for two centuries or more for a Protestant expression of the Christian faith. Not only has it been Protestant, but that term also carefully distinguished Roman Catholics from Protestants.<\/p>\n<p><strong>What do you think of my \u201cnarrow\u201d definition of \u201cevangelical\u201d? Do you see the oddity of many wanting this term when they aren\u2019t? Do you think it makes sense to call someone an \u201cevangelical Catholic\u201d or an \u201cevangelical Eastern Orthodox\u201d?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Furthermore, the word has been increasingly associated with Protestants who see their heritage in the Great Awakenings and the revivals of the 18th and 19th centuries. An \u201cevangelical\u201d then is a kind of Protestant, namely one that connects not only to Luther or Calvin but also to Jonathan Edwards or George Whitefield or John Wesley or Charles Finney.<\/p>\n<p>On top of this, evangelical is now mostly associated with post-Fundamentalist Protestants who arose in the 1950s and 1960s and were called \u201cNeo-Evangelicals.\u201d Here we are thinking of Billy Graham, Christianity Today, Wheaton College, the parachurch ministries, the missionary movement, John Stott, Francis Schaeffer, etc.. This group, in a global fashion, has been studied and studied and studied \u2014 I\u2019ve got more than one shelf of books about evangelicalism. There are four distinguishing marks: they are Bible-centered, they are cross-centered, they are conversion-centered, and they are activistic-centered (or pietistic-centered).<!--more--><\/p>\n<p>I know some Roman Catholics who will quietly call themselves \u201cevangelical\u201d Roman Catholics. Sometimes this means they are Repulicans; sometimes it means they \u201cwere\u201d formerly evangelicals and now are Catholics; sometimes it means they, too, have a \u201cpersonal\u201d faith (like evangelicals). Sometimes this brings up the shifts that have occurred in the last 25 years of dialogue between Evangelicals and Roman Catholics. Sometimes folks suggest the Reformation itself is now over and Catholics and Evangelicals are coming back together. I see this and I hear this, but it is still unwise to use \u201cevangelical\u201d with \u201cCatholic\u201d to me. [To me it\u2019s like saying they are \u201cliberal evangelical.\u201d Why?]<\/p>\n<p>The word \u201cevangelical\u201d is used for a Protestant; it is used for a revivalist kind of Protestant; and it makes little sense to me to connect it to Roman Catholic. I\u2019m not saying Catholics aren\u2019t born again and I\u2019m not saying only evangelicals are; but this term \u201cevangelical\u201d refers to a kind of Protestant.<\/p>\n<p>In essence, I\u2019m arguing that the term \u201cevangelical\u201d needs to be used narrowly and not broadly. Those who are progressives on the major evangelical doctrines \u2014 ahem, a new term for \u201cliberals\u201d \u2014 are no more evangelical than are Roman Catholics. It just doesn\u2019t make sense to me to call either Brian McLaren or Jim Wallis an evangelical, and it doesn\u2019t make sense to me to call my friend Scott Hahn an evangelical.<\/p>\n<p>Frankly, I find lots of people who seemingly want to be called \u201cevangelical\u201d and I can\u2019t figure out why. For some weird reason, this term \u201cevangelical\u201d has become a term of opprobrium (calling someone that is a way to say they\u2019re duped or something like that) and at the same time it\u2019s a term many are afraid not to be called. Once again, I find this weird.<\/p>\n<p>But, in narrowing the term down to its proper connections, I\u2019m also the first to say \u201cevangelical\u201d doesn\u2019t mean \u201cthose who are right\u201d or \u201cthose who are really Christians.\u201d Nope, the term is to be used for those who are Protestant and revivalist, who are committed more or less to Bebbington\u2019s quadrilateral (Bible, Cross, Conversion, and Activism), but who are only one part of the Church itself. (By the way, Bebbington\u2019s book: <strong><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/0830825835?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=jescre-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0830825835\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><em>The Dominance of Evangelicalism: The Age of Spurgeon And Moody (History of Evangelicalism)<\/em><\/a><em><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border: none !important;margin: 0px !important\" src=\"https:\/\/www.assoc-amazon.com\/e\/ir?t=jescre-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=0830825835\" border=\"0\" alt=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\"><\/em><\/strong>.)<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Some of you will observe that the RSS feed is not giving a full text but only an excerpt. Patheos and I are in discussion about this, but for now we are asking you to come to the site to get the full read. 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