{"id":5003,"date":"2008-12-16T00:30:40","date_gmt":"2008-12-16T06:30:40","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/community\/jesuscreed\/2008\/12\/16\/knowing-2-rjs\/"},"modified":"2013-07-14T06:50:04","modified_gmt":"2013-07-14T11:50:04","slug":"knowing-2-rjs","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/jesuscreed\/2008\/12\/16\/knowing-2-rjs\/","title":{"rendered":"Knowing 2 (RJS)"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">In the last post in this series I suggested that one of the important issues in the current discussion of science and faith in our culture deals with <strong><em>knowing<\/em><\/strong>; how do we \u201cknow\u201d and understand? None of us can know everything in every subject. How many of us really understand particle physics, quantum mechanics, genetics, geophysics, ANE culture and language, or how many of us read Greek and have real expertise in 1<sup>st<\/sup> century Roman and Jewish culture? We all trust authorities for much of our knowledge.\u00a0 In this post I want to consider the importance of authority and expertise in the discussion of science and faith.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><em><strong>The key question today is this<\/strong><\/em> \u2013 What authorities do you trust and how do you decide? What is the ranking order of your authorities from top to bottom? Does that ranking order shift from subject to subject? How do you find authorities you can trust? How authoritative is your pastor for what you believe?<\/p>\n<p><!--more--><br>\n<span class=\"mt-enclosure mt-enclosure-image\"><a href=\"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/jesuscreed\/darwin-thumb-200x264.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"mt-image-left\" style=\"margin: 0pt 20px 20px 0pt; float: left;\" src=\"https:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/jesuscreed\/assets_c\/2008\/12\/darwin-thumb-200x264-thumb-200x264.jpg\" alt=\"Thumbnail image for darwin.jpg\" width=\"200\" height=\"264\"><\/a><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Most Christians who reject the arguments for evolution, common descent, or the age of the earth have no real understanding of the issues involved or the depth of the evidence.\u00a0 But this isn\u2019t just a Christian problem of course. Studies also show that many (likely most) Americans who claim to believe in natural selection have no real understanding of evolution and are unable to describe how natural selection works.\u00a0 Why do they believe what they believe?<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">In the absence of expertise, we evaluate the source of a claim or assertion.\u00a0 If the source is deemed trustworthy the claim is believed.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">This is a far-reaching practice and extends beyond scientific or technical knowledge.\u00a0 I suspect that the average Christian evaluates many claims and assertions relating to theology and doctrine in the same manner \u2013 by evaluating the credibility of the source and trusting those deemed authoritative.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Of course, on one level this reliance on authorities and experts is necessary. None of us can possibly know everything about everything. None of us can master the body of human wisdom \u2013 the acquired knowledge of the human race.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">But this practice leads to some real dissonance. The vast majority of Christians who truly understand the evidence for the age of the earth take an ancient earth as a given.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">The vast majority of Christians who truly understand the paleontological or genetic evidence take the general schema of evolution as a given. This is not to say that we understand everything \u2013 there are legitimate questions that can be raised. But the general scheme holds.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Christian Scholars who really dig into Biblical Studies have a very hard time assenting to the positions of the conservative systematic theologians on many issues related to scripture.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Yet the irony of this whole situation is that even within the church we respect our own expertise \u2013 but feel free to doubt, question, or disregard the expert conclusions of our fellow Christians. We question the authority of experts and accept the authority of other sources, often without looking at the evidence. The geologists will insist on old earth but feel free to doubt evolution; the biologists will insist on evolution but feel free to doubt the archaeologists; the biblical scholars will insist that we look honestly at the development of the OT from the sources and the incorporation of ANE myth to tell a theological truth, but feel free to doubt the genetic evidence for common descent.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><em><strong>Which brings us back to the key question we must ponder and discuss:\u00a0<\/strong><\/em> As Christians how should we evaluate claims and assertions requiring technical knowledge? Which experts should we trust and why? And how do we decide between conflicting claims of expertise?<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>In the last post in this series I suggested that one of the important issues in the current discussion of science and faith in our culture deals with knowing; how do we \u201cknow\u201d and understand? 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