{"id":5333,"date":"2009-03-13T15:11:50","date_gmt":"2009-03-13T20:11:50","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/community\/jesuscreed\/2009\/03\/13\/the-future-of-christian-eschatology-5\/"},"modified":"2009-03-13T15:11:50","modified_gmt":"2009-03-13T20:11:50","slug":"the-future-of-christian-eschatology-5","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/jesuscreed\/2009\/03\/13\/the-future-of-christian-eschatology-5\/","title":{"rendered":"The Future of Christian Eschatology 5"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p><i>This post wraps up our series for this week.<\/i><\/p>\n<p>Conclusions<\/p>\n<p>Let me now try to draw together some threads. The temporal indicators<br>\nof Mark 13 and parallels suggest that Jesus envisioned everything<br>\ntherein described as occurring within one generation. Roughly speaking,<br>\nhe sees things occurring in about 40 years. History shows that the<br>\nRomans sacked Jerusalem brutally and banished them from the City, and<br>\nthis event largely confirms what Jesus predicted. Josephus tells the<br>\nstory in his Jewish War, and Christians read Josephus until the last<br>\ncentury, when dispensationalism took over and discouraged the use of<br>\nJosephus. You can look this up, too. Furthermore, we have seen<br>\nplausible reasons, some more compelling than others, for seeing the<br>\nlanguage of Mark 13:24-27\/Matt 24:29-31 as metaphorical descriptions of<br>\nJesus\u2019 vindication and reception of power in the event of Jerusalem\u2019s<br>\ndestruction. When Jerusalem went down, Jesus went up \u2013 down in ignominy<br>\nand up in vindication<\/p>\n<p><!--more--><br>\n<br>Jerusalem\u2019s destruction was proof that Jesus was right. In addition, this event marks and shapes the focus of Jesus\u2019 ministry and message: his mission was to call Israel to repentance (and that meant to live a life of love and justice and peace) before the final bell rang. If Israel responds, the destruction can be averted; if it does not, the destruction will establish him as Messiah. What Jesus saw beyond this is, in my mind, a mystery. I think he saw connected to this event the resurrection, the final judgment, and the establishment of the Age to Come. He tied them together, the destruction and these \u201ceternal things\u201d because, as a prophet who relied upon God\u2019s revelation for knowledge of the future, this is how prophets worked all along. The next event on God\u2019s calendar was the End Event \u2013 and when it did not occur literally on earth, no one was bothered because prophetic knowledge about the future is like that. It trades in metaphor and metaphor is capable of various interpretations. What Jesus was referring to was Israel\u2019s destruction; it had ultimate significance to him. And he got it right.<\/p>\n<p>There\u2019s another angle: Jesus used linguistic metaphors, images, sketches, pictures \u2026 however you want to say it. He wasn\u2019t speaking of the destruction of 70 AD and, because predicting that would be too literal he chose images. Instead, he saw images and metaphors and spoke of God\u2019s imminent future acts in those terms and the fulfillment occurs in 70 AD. It is important not to get the fulfillment before the image. Jesus used images. The images are the point of entry into this subject.<\/p>\n<p>Some scholars, most notably R.C. Sproul, think that we must make a distinction between Jesus\u2019 prediction of Jerusalem\u2019s destruction and the \u201ceternal things\u201d, such as the resurrection, the rapture, and the final judgment. Thus, what happened for Jesus was that we see \u201ca\u201d coming, a day of the Lord, a judgment, and an end of the Jewish age. Sproul, however, cannot anchor such distinctions \u2013 between Jesus\u2019 predictions of A.D. 70 and his prediction of \u201cend-time\u201d events \u2013 in the texts of Jesus. He posits such a distinction. He may be right, but I am less convinced that this distinction can be drawn in Jesus\u2019 words, though I would be happy to be proven wrong. An examination of the lines that follow the texts we examined in Matthew 24-25 will show that there are no temporal disconnections between Jerusalem\u2019s disaster and the so-called \u201ceternal things.\u201d If we distinguish them, we do so with good warrant: ancient Jews did the same thing with their prophets. But they did not do so because they thought in terms of \u201cpartial\u201d fulfillment. They did so because the images used by the prophets were alive and could evoke the hope that God had given to Israel. The same applies, I think, to the early Christian use of Jesus\u2019 language. There\u2019s more to come. Why? Because the events cannot contain the images. <\/p>\n<p>I can no longer embrace the dispensational program for I think that train hopped its rails and I think even the post-tribulation theory needs to use the skin of the fox. What I am convinced of is this: Jesus sees a future during which time God will be exalted, he will be enthroned as Son of Man, and justice will be established according to God\u2019s will. I believe this will happen on earth and it will constitute the new heavens and the new earth. Frankly \u2014 and I have modified my own views of this recently \u2014 I am not sure Jesus will return to earth <i>as many describe that return<\/i>; I\u2019d like him to, and I\u2019d stand in line for hours to meet him and see it all take place. I don\u2019t want to sound either irreverent or even disrespectful here, but I think a \u2018physical return\u2019 to earth would create chaos \u2013 every Christian alive would want to meet Jesus and, if the millennium is to last 1000 years \u2026 well this gets a little out of hand even to imagine. I believe it behooves us to think more realistically about God\u2019s future. <\/p>\n<p>I believe in Jesus\u2019 \u2018return\u2019 but I think it will be much better and bigger and more grandiose than we can imagine. In other words, I believe in the \u201cSecond Coming\u201d but I think it is<i> how we speak of the inaugurating event in the establishment of Christ\u2019s reign (and I believe in an earthly manifestation of that reign and of Christ\u2019s Second Coming \u2014 and I\u2019m just not sure what that will look like)<\/i>. <\/p>\n<p>And now I feel like a lion in a den of Daniels, but I want to appeal to one major point: no Bible-saturated contemporary of Jesus thought when the Messiah came he would be as Jesus was. <b>So I suspect anything we \u201cthink\u201d will happen only glimpses what really will happen. Most who speak of the Second Coming \u201cknow more than they should\u201d and it is that kind of knowledge I\u2019d like to push back behind the veil of mystery by saying what I have above. He will return, but what will that return look like? I suspect everyone will be surprised.<\/b> We should anticipate both what traditionalists have anticipated <b>and a lot more<\/b>.<\/p>\n<p>The implication of what I have said about Jesus\u2019 eschatology is this: before Jesus\u2019 message is brought into our world, and he needs to be, Jesus has to be understood in his world. And that means as a Jew, as a Jewish prophet, a prophet who spoke to his people, Israel, who spoke to his people about Israel about the need to repent and live in light of the Kingdom before it is too late, and that \u2018too late\u2019 is to be understood temporally for Jesus as before A.D. 70 when God would wreak vengeance on the nation for its waywardness (as God had done with both teh Northern and Southern Kingdoms at the hands of the Assyrians, Babylonians, and Romans). In other words, Jesus\u2019 eschatology was fully immersed in his day and was about his day \u2014 he spoke to the political disaster about to fall upon the Land. <\/p>\n<p>This Jewish prophet Jesus, however, is also the Messiah of the Endtime who was destined to come to lead Israel into the \u2018fortunes of Israel\u2019. Those fortunes have not yet been completely fulfilled. <br>\u00a0<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>This post wraps up our series for this week. 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