The Power of "With" 6<\/title>\n<meta name=\"description\" content=\"Where do we begin if we believe in the power of "with," the power of loving gays and lesbians? This is perhaps the central issue addressed in Andrew\" \/>\n<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"index, follow, max-snippet:-1, max-image-preview:large, max-video-preview:-1\" \/>\n<link rel=\"canonical\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/jesuscreed\/2009\/05\/26\/the-power-of-with-6\/\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:locale\" content=\"en_US\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:type\" content=\"article\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:title\" content=\"The Power of "With" 6\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:description\" content=\"Where do we begin if we believe in the power of "with," the power of loving gays and lesbians? This is perhaps the central issue addressed in Andrew\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:url\" content=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/jesuscreed\/2009\/05\/26\/the-power-of-with-6\/\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:site_name\" content=\"Jesus Creed\" \/>\n<meta property=\"article:published_time\" content=\"2009-05-26T05:09:49+00:00\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:image\" content=\"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/jesuscreed\/imgs\/MarinOrange.jpg\" \/>\n<meta name=\"author\" content=\"Scot McKnight\" \/>\n<meta name=\"twitter:card\" content=\"summary_large_image\" \/>\n<meta name=\"twitter:label1\" content=\"Written by\" \/>\n\t<meta name=\"twitter:data1\" content=\"Scot McKnight\" \/>\n\t<meta name=\"twitter:label2\" content=\"Est. reading time\" \/>\n\t<meta name=\"twitter:data2\" content=\"1 minute\" \/>\n<script type=\"application\/ld+json\" class=\"yoast-schema-graph\">{\"@context\":\"https:\/\/schema.org\",\"@graph\":[{\"@type\":\"WebPage\",\"@id\":\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/jesuscreed\/2009\/05\/26\/the-power-of-with-6\/\",\"url\":\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/jesuscreed\/2009\/05\/26\/the-power-of-with-6\/\",\"name\":\"The Power of \\\"With\\\" 6\",\"isPartOf\":{\"@id\":\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/jesuscreed\/#website\"},\"datePublished\":\"2009-05-26T05:09:49+00:00\",\"dateModified\":\"2009-05-26T05:09:49+00:00\",\"author\":{\"@id\":\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/jesuscreed\/#\/schema\/person\/5919e847c58ffe6efb5899fb61797252\"},\"description\":\"Where do we begin if we believe in the power of \\\"with,\\\" the power of loving gays and lesbians? This is perhaps the central issue addressed in Andrew\",\"breadcrumb\":{\"@id\":\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/jesuscreed\/2009\/05\/26\/the-power-of-with-6\/#breadcrumb\"},\"inLanguage\":\"en-US\",\"potentialAction\":[{\"@type\":\"ReadAction\",\"target\":[\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/jesuscreed\/2009\/05\/26\/the-power-of-with-6\/\"]}]},{\"@type\":\"BreadcrumbList\",\"@id\":\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/jesuscreed\/2009\/05\/26\/the-power-of-with-6\/#breadcrumb\",\"itemListElement\":[{\"@type\":\"ListItem\",\"position\":1,\"name\":\"Home\",\"item\":\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/jesuscreed\/\"},{\"@type\":\"ListItem\",\"position\":2,\"name\":\"The Power of “With” 6\"}]},{\"@type\":\"WebSite\",\"@id\":\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/jesuscreed\/#website\",\"url\":\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/jesuscreed\/\",\"name\":\"Jesus Creed\",\"description\":\"Scot McKnight on Jesus and orthodox faith in the 21st century\",\"potentialAction\":[{\"@type\":\"SearchAction\",\"target\":{\"@type\":\"EntryPoint\",\"urlTemplate\":\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/jesuscreed\/?s={search_term_string}\"},\"query-input\":\"required name=search_term_string\"}],\"inLanguage\":\"en-US\"},{\"@type\":\"Person\",\"@id\":\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/jesuscreed\/#\/schema\/person\/5919e847c58ffe6efb5899fb61797252\",\"name\":\"Scot McKnight\",\"description\":\"Scot McKnight is a recognized authority on the New Testament, early Christianity, and the historical Jesus. McKnight, author of more than fifty books, is the Professor of New Testament at Northern Seminary in Lombard, IL.\",\"url\":\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/jesuscreed\/author\/scotmcknight\/\"}]}<\/script>\n","yoast_head_json":{"title":"The Power of \"With\" 6","description":"Where do we begin if we believe in the power of \"with,\" the power of loving gays and lesbians? This is perhaps the central issue addressed in Andrew","robots":{"index":"index","follow":"follow","max-snippet":"max-snippet:-1","max-image-preview":"max-image-preview:large","max-video-preview":"max-video-preview:-1"},"canonical":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/jesuscreed\/2009\/05\/26\/the-power-of-with-6\/","og_locale":"en_US","og_type":"article","og_title":"The Power of \"With\" 6","og_description":"Where do we begin if we believe in the power of \"with,\" the power of loving gays and lesbians? This is perhaps the central issue addressed in Andrew","og_url":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/jesuscreed\/2009\/05\/26\/the-power-of-with-6\/","og_site_name":"Jesus Creed","article_published_time":"2009-05-26T05:09:49+00:00","og_image":[{"url":"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/jesuscreed\/imgs\/MarinOrange.jpg"}],"author":"Scot McKnight","twitter_card":"summary_large_image","twitter_misc":{"Written by":"Scot McKnight","Est. reading time":"1 minute"},"schema":{"@context":"https:\/\/schema.org","@graph":[{"@type":"WebPage","@id":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/jesuscreed\/2009\/05\/26\/the-power-of-with-6\/","url":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/jesuscreed\/2009\/05\/26\/the-power-of-with-6\/","name":"The Power of \"With\" 6","isPartOf":{"@id":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/jesuscreed\/#website"},"datePublished":"2009-05-26T05:09:49+00:00","dateModified":"2009-05-26T05:09:49+00:00","author":{"@id":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/jesuscreed\/#\/schema\/person\/5919e847c58ffe6efb5899fb61797252"},"description":"Where do we begin if we believe in the power of \"with,\" the power of loving gays and lesbians? This is perhaps the central issue addressed in Andrew","breadcrumb":{"@id":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/jesuscreed\/2009\/05\/26\/the-power-of-with-6\/#breadcrumb"},"inLanguage":"en-US","potentialAction":[{"@type":"ReadAction","target":["https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/jesuscreed\/2009\/05\/26\/the-power-of-with-6\/"]}]},{"@type":"BreadcrumbList","@id":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/jesuscreed\/2009\/05\/26\/the-power-of-with-6\/#breadcrumb","itemListElement":[{"@type":"ListItem","position":1,"name":"Home","item":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/jesuscreed\/"},{"@type":"ListItem","position":2,"name":"The Power of “With” 6"}]},{"@type":"WebSite","@id":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/jesuscreed\/#website","url":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/jesuscreed\/","name":"Jesus Creed","description":"Scot McKnight on Jesus and orthodox faith in the 21st century","potentialAction":[{"@type":"SearchAction","target":{"@type":"EntryPoint","urlTemplate":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/jesuscreed\/?s={search_term_string}"},"query-input":"required name=search_term_string"}],"inLanguage":"en-US"},{"@type":"Person","@id":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/jesuscreed\/#\/schema\/person\/5919e847c58ffe6efb5899fb61797252","name":"Scot McKnight","description":"Scot McKnight is a recognized authority on the New Testament, early Christianity, and the historical Jesus. McKnight, author of more than fifty books, is the Professor of New Testament at Northern Seminary in Lombard, IL.","url":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/jesuscreed\/author\/scotmcknight\/"}]}},"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/jesuscreed\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/5609","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/jesuscreed\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/jesuscreed\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/jesuscreed\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/197"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/jesuscreed\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=5609"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/jesuscreed\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/5609\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/jesuscreed\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=5609"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/jesuscreed\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=5609"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/jesuscreed\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=5609"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}

{"id":5609,"date":"2009-05-26T00:09:49","date_gmt":"2009-05-26T05:09:49","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/community\/jesuscreed\/2009\/05\/26\/the-power-of-with-6\/"},"modified":"2009-05-26T00:09:49","modified_gmt":"2009-05-26T05:09:49","slug":"the-power-of-with-6","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/jesuscreed\/2009\/05\/26\/the-power-of-with-6\/","title":{"rendered":"The Power of “With” 6"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<\/head>

$\"MarinOrange.jpg\"$ <\/span>Where do we begin if we believe in the power of \u201cwith,\u201d the power of loving gays and lesbians? This is perhaps the central issue addressed in Andrew Marin\u2019s new book, Love Is an Orientation: Elevating the Conversation With the Gay Community<\/a> $\"\"$
\n<\/strong><\/em>. <\/p>\n

One of Andrew\u2019s suggestions is that we need to get our heads around the word \u201clove\u201d again. This is his concern in chp 6. Marin suggests the coaching philosophy of tearing the players down until they become malleable, though it occasionally has breakthroughs with the GLBT community, does more harm than good and he proposes that Christians learn to love the GLBT community.<\/p>\n

Andrew estimates that only about 20% of the gay community has an interest in changing orientation, and that means Christians need to have an approach for both the 20% and the 80%.<\/p>\n

\nAndrew sees four options at work in these issues:<\/p>\n

1. The Straight Ideal: get married to the opposite sex and have kids.
2. The Gay Ideal: come out, live a happy sexually reconciled faith as a gay person.
3. The Celibate Ideal: live a life without sexual intimacy.
4. The Acceptance Ideal: \u201cIt\u2019s OK to be yourself before God and not conform to any of the other three ways that seem ideal to the outside world\u201d (102). This Ideal focuses on our identity in Christ.<\/p>\n

Two common questions Andrew gets. From the GLBT community: Is homosexuality a sin? From the Christian community: Can GLBT persons change? Both are close-ended questions and want either Yes or No. Andrew suggests changing the question to an open-ended question: What is your relationship to God like? From Billy Graham, Andrew learns this: \u201cIt is Holy Spirit\u2019s job to convict, God\u2019s job to judge and my job to love\u201d (108).<\/p>\n

So what is love? \u201ctangible and measurable expressions of one\u2019s unconditional behaviors toward another\u201d (108).<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"