{"id":5637,"date":"2009-06-05T00:03:02","date_gmt":"2009-06-05T05:03:02","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/community\/jesuscreed\/2009\/06\/05\/justification-and-new-perspective-15\/"},"modified":"2009-06-05T00:03:02","modified_gmt":"2009-06-05T05:03:02","slug":"justification-and-new-perspective-15","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/jesuscreed\/2009\/06\/05\/justification-and-new-perspective-15\/","title":{"rendered":"Justification and New Perspective 15"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p> <span class=\"mt-enclosure mt-enclosure-image\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"NTWright.jpg\" src=\"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/jesuscreed\/imgs\/NTWright.jpg\" class=\"mt-image-left\" style=\"margin: 0pt 20px 20px 0pt;float: left\" height=\"237\" width=\"198\"><\/span>One of the stickiest points in all of this new perspective vs. old perspective discussion is what to make of Romans 2:1-16, and Wright makes it clear that he thinks Paul means exactly what he says (<em><strong><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/0830838635?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=jescre-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0830838635\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Justification: God\u2019s Plan &amp; Paul\u2019s Vision<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.assoc-amazon.com\/e\/ir?t=jescre-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=0830838635\" alt=\"\" style=\"border: medium none  ! important;margin: 0px ! important\" border=\"0\" height=\"1\" width=\"1\">,<\/strong><\/em>). [I posted the text at the bottom of this post.]<\/p>\n<p>First, he says this is no charade \u2014 no pretending someone can be justified by works so we can set them up for the hammer in chp. 3.<\/p>\n<p>Second, doers of the Torah will be justified. That\u2019s what Paul says in 2:13. (It\u2019s in your Bible too.) Wright argues that one does the Torah through the Spirit. But this is not the synergism that says \u201cI do part\u201d and \u201cGod does part.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Third, the scene is the great assize \u2014 last judgment \u2014 and Jesus is the judge. The judgment is based on works \u2014 and Paul says that in Romans 2 and 2 Cor 5:10 and it is implicit in Rom 14:10-12. And Wright enters here into a clear set of lines about how important works is in the Pauline sense of judgment.<\/p>\n<p>All this stuff, fourth, about pleasing God is not the logic of merit but the logic of love and relationship.<\/p>\n<p>Fifth, this again makes the Holy Spirit important \u2014 more important than in the old perspective.<\/p>\n<p><!--more--><\/p>\n<p style=\"font-size: 12pt;text-align: left;text-indent: 9pt\"><span style=\"font-weight: bold;font-size: 18pt\">2<\/span><br>\nYou, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else,<br>\nfor at whatever point you judge the other, you are condemning yourself,<br>\nbecause you who pass judgment do the same things. <a href=\"\" rel=\"verse\" id=\"Ro 2:2\" title=\"Romans 2:2\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">\u00a0<\/a><span style=\"vertical-align: 2px;line-height: 0pt;font-size: 85%\">2 <\/span>Now we know that God\u2019s judgment against those who do such things is based on truth. <a href=\"\" rel=\"verse\" id=\"Ro 2:3\" title=\"Romans 2:3\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">\u00a0<\/a><span style=\"vertical-align: 2px;line-height: 0pt;font-size: 85%\">3 <\/span>So when you, a mere man, pass judgment on them and yet do the same things, do you think you will escape God\u2019s judgment? <a href=\"\" rel=\"verse\" id=\"Ro 2:4\" title=\"Romans 2:4\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">\u00a0<\/a><span style=\"vertical-align: 2px;line-height: 0pt;font-size: 85%\">4 <\/span>Or<br>\ndo you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, tolerance and<br>\npatience, not realizing that God\u2019s kindness leads you toward<br>\nrepentance? <\/p>\n<p style=\"font-size: 12pt;text-align: left;text-indent: 9pt\"><a href=\"\" rel=\"verse\" id=\"Ro 2:5\" title=\"Romans 2:5\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">\u00a0<\/a><span style=\"vertical-align: 2px;line-height: 0pt;font-size: 85%\">5 <\/span>But<br>\nbecause of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are<br>\nstoring up wrath against yourself for the day of God\u2019s wrath, when his<br>\nrighteous judgment will be revealed. <a href=\"\" rel=\"verse\" id=\"Ro 2:6\" title=\"Romans 2:6\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">\u00a0<\/a><span style=\"vertical-align: 2px;line-height: 0pt;font-size: 85%\">6 <\/span>God \u201cwill give to each person according to what he has done.\u201d<a href=\"\" rel=\"popup\" title='&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=\"#ref=Ps 62:12,hi=Ps 62:12\" class=\"bibleref\" title=\"Psalm 62:12\"&gt;Psalm 62:12&lt;\/a&gt;; &lt;a href=\"#ref=Pr 24:12,hi=Pr 24:12\" class=\"bibleref\" title=\"Proverbs 24:12\"&gt;Prov. 24:12&lt;\/a&gt;&lt;\/p&gt; ' class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><span style=\"vertical-align: 2px;line-height: 0pt;font-size: 85%\">a<\/span><\/a> <a href=\"\" rel=\"verse\" id=\"Ro 2:7\" title=\"Romans 2:7\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">\u00a0<\/a><span style=\"vertical-align: 2px;line-height: 0pt;font-size: 85%\">7 <\/span>To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life. <a href=\"\" rel=\"verse\" id=\"Ro 2:8\" title=\"Romans 2:8\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">\u00a0<\/a><span style=\"vertical-align: 2px;line-height: 0pt;font-size: 85%\">8 <\/span>But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger. <a href=\"\" rel=\"verse\" id=\"Ro 2:9\" title=\"Romans 2:9\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">\u00a0<\/a><span style=\"vertical-align: 2px;line-height: 0pt;font-size: 85%\">9 <\/span>There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile; <a href=\"\" rel=\"verse\" id=\"Ro 2:10\" title=\"Romans 2:10\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">\u00a0<\/a><span style=\"vertical-align: 2px;line-height: 0pt;font-size: 85%\">10 <\/span>but glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. <a href=\"\" rel=\"verse\" id=\"Ro 2:11\" title=\"Romans 2:11\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">\u00a0<\/a><span style=\"vertical-align: 2px;line-height: 0pt;font-size: 85%\">11 <\/span>For God does not show favoritism. <\/p>\n<p style=\"font-size: 12pt;text-align: left;text-indent: 9pt\"><a href=\"\" rel=\"verse\" id=\"Ro 2:12\" title=\"Romans 2:12\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">\u00a0<\/a><span style=\"vertical-align: 2px;line-height: 0pt;font-size: 85%\">12 <\/span>All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. <a href=\"\" rel=\"verse\" id=\"Ro 2:13\" title=\"Romans 2:13\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">\u00a0<\/a><span style=\"vertical-align: 2px;line-height: 0pt;font-size: 85%\">13 <\/span>For<br>\nit is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God\u2019s sight, but<br>\nit is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. <a href=\"\" rel=\"verse\" id=\"Ro 2:14\" title=\"Romans 2:14\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">\u00a0<\/a><span style=\"vertical-align: 2px;line-height: 0pt;font-size: 85%\">14 <\/span>(Indeed,<br>\nwhen Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by<br>\nthe law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have<br>\nthe law, <a href=\"\" rel=\"verse\" id=\"Ro 2:15\" title=\"Romans 2:15\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">\u00a0<\/a><span style=\"vertical-align: 2px;line-height: 0pt;font-size: 85%\">15 <\/span>since<br>\nthey show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts,<br>\ntheir consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts now<br>\naccusing, now even defending them.) <a href=\"\" rel=\"verse\" id=\"Ro 2:16\" title=\"Romans 2:16\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">\u00a0<\/a><span style=\"vertical-align: 2px;line-height: 0pt;font-size: 85%\">16 <\/span>This will take place on the day when God will judge men\u2019s secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares. <\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>One of the stickiest points in all of this new perspective vs. old perspective discussion is what to make of Romans 2:1-16, and Wright makes it clear that he thinks Paul means exactly what he says (Justification: God\u2019s Plan &amp; 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