{"id":6196,"date":"2009-11-18T06:11:26","date_gmt":"2009-11-18T11:11:26","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/community\/jesuscreed\/2009\/11\/18\/law-at-the-jesus-creed-david-opderbeck-1\/"},"modified":"2009-11-18T06:11:26","modified_gmt":"2009-11-18T11:11:26","slug":"law-at-the-jesus-creed-david-opderbeck-1","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/jesuscreed\/2009\/11\/18\/law-at-the-jesus-creed-david-opderbeck-1\/","title":{"rendered":"Law at the Jesus Creed: David Opderbeck 1"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin-top: 0px;margin-right: 0px;margin-bottom: 0.75em;margin-left: 0px;border-top-width: 0px;border-right-width: 0px;border-bottom-width: 0px;border-left-width: 0px;border-style: initial;border-color: initial;padding-top: 0px;padding-right: 0px;padding-bottom: 0px;padding-left: 0px;font-size: 1em;font-weight: normal\">\n<\/p><p><span class=\"mt-enclosure mt-enclosure-image\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Lawbook.jpg\" src=\"https:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/jesuscreed\/imgs\/Lawbook.jpg\" width=\"273\" height=\"223\" class=\"mt-image-right\" style=\"float: right;margin: 0 0 20px 20px\"><\/span><i>I announced last week that we are beginning a new series this week with David Opderbeck, a professor of law. He will educate us on law \u2014 should be fun.<\/i><\/p>\n<div><i><br><\/i>\n<div>What is \u201cLaw\u201d?\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin-top: 0px;margin-right: 0px;margin-bottom: 0.75em;margin-left: 0px;border-top-width: 0px;border-right-width: 0px;border-bottom-width: 0px;border-left-width: 0px;border-style: initial;border-color: initial;padding-top: 0px;padding-right: 0px;padding-bottom: 0px;padding-left: 0px;font-size: 1em;font-weight: normal\">My question for the opening post in this series is <b>\u201cwhat is \u2018Law\u2019?\u201d<\/b><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin-top: 0px;margin-right: 0px;margin-bottom: 0.75em;margin-left: 0px;border-top-width: 0px;border-right-width: 0px;border-bottom-width: 0px;border-left-width: 0px;border-style: initial;border-color: initial;padding-top: 0px;padding-right: 0px;padding-bottom: 0px;padding-left: 0px;font-size: 1em;font-weight: normal\"><b>Here\u2019s the questions for this post: Which approach \u2013 formalism or realism \u2013 better accounts for \u201claw\u201d and for the role of \u201claw\u201d in society?\u00a0\u00a0As Christians living in a post-industrial, scientific, and\/or postmodern age, are there approaches to \u201claw\u201d we can adopt without falling into either an extreme formalism or an extreme legal realism?<\/b><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin-top: 0px;margin-right: 0px;margin-bottom: 0.75em;margin-left: 0px;border-top-width: 0px;border-right-width: 0px;border-bottom-width: 0px;border-left-width: 0px;border-style: initial;border-color: initial;padding-top: 0px;padding-right: 0px;padding-bottom: 0px;padding-left: 0px;font-size: 1em;font-weight: normal\">Many people respond to this question with what legal scholars would call a \u201cformalist\u201d definition:<span>\u00a0\u00a0<\/span><i>law is a set of rules or principles that govern behavior.<\/i><span><i>\u00a0<\/i>\u00a0\u00a0<\/span>This sort of definition raises important questions about the sources of \u201claw\u201d and the functions of a legal system.<span>\u00a0\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin-top: 0px;margin-right: 0px;margin-bottom: 0.75em;margin-left: 0px;border-top-width: 0px;border-right-width: 0px;border-bottom-width: 0px;border-left-width: 0px;border-style: initial;border-color: initial;padding-top: 0px;padding-right: 0px;padding-bottom: 0px;padding-left: 0px;font-size: 1em;font-weight: normal\">In the Western tradition, \u201claw\u201d historically was rooted in metaphysics \u2013 for the Greeks, in the realm of pure thought (Plato\u2019s \u201cforms\u201d); for the Romans, in the divine authority of the Emperor; and for Christendom, in God, particularly as God\u2019s will was mediated through the Church, reason, and the King.<span>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0<\/span>During the Enlightenment, \u201claw\u201d was still mostly conceived of in formalist terms, but the primary source of law became reason, or \u201cNatural Law.\u201d<span>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0<\/span>This is why the Declaration of Independence grounds universal human rights in the \u201cLaws of Nature and of Nature\u2019s God.\u201d<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p><!--more--><br>\n<!--StartFragment--><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">By the late Nineteenth Century, however, many legal scholars<br>\nand jurists had come to recognize that the supposedly universal foundations for<br>\nformalistic law were neither universal nor secure.<span>\u00a0 <\/span>Broadly speaking, this skepticism was in accord with<br>\npost-Enlightenment intellectual history.<span>\u00a0<br>\n<\/span><i>These scholars and jurists began to develop what we now call a \u201crealist\u201d<br>\ndefinition of \u201claw.\u201d<\/i><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">A famous text in the development of <b>\u201clegal realism\u201d<\/b> is<br>\nOliver Wendell Holmes\u2019 essay \u201c<a href=\"http:\/\/www.gutenberg.org\/files\/2373\/2373-h\/2373-h.htm\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">The Path of the<br>\nLaw<\/a>.\u201d<span>\u00a0 <\/span>In that essay, Holmes<br>\nviews the law from the perspective of a \u201cbad man\u201d \u2013 a person whose conduct<br>\nmight run afoul of the law.<span>\u00a0<br>\n<\/span>According to Holmes, the \u201cbad man\u201d cares nothing about whether \u201claw\u201d is<br>\ngrounded in reason, God, or Natural Law.<span>\u00a0<br>\n<\/span>The \u201cbad man\u2019s\u201d only concern is whether, and to what extent, a<br>\nparticular judge or jury will punish him for his actions.<span>\u00a0 <\/span>As Holmes eloquently put it, <i>\u201cIf you want to know the law and nothing<br>\nelse, you must look at it as a bad man, who cares only for the material<br>\nconsequences which such knowledge enables him to predict, not as a good one,<br>\nwho finds his reasons for conduct, whether inside the law or outside of it, in<br>\nthe vaguer sanctions of conscience.\u201d<\/i><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">In short, viewed from the \u201cbad man\u2019s\u201d perspective, <b>\u201claw\u201d is<br>\nmerely a social construct used to produce whatever social outcome the judge or<br>\njury deems desirable.<\/b><span>\u00a0 <\/span>References<br>\nto reason, God, or Natural Law in relation to \u201claw\u201d are superfluous at best.<span>\u00a0 <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">The \u201crealist\u201d approach has had a profound effect on Western<br>\njurisprudence.<span>\u00a0 <\/span>The dominant<br>\nperspectives reflected in American legal education, including \u201claw and<br>\neconomics\u201d and \u201ccritical legal studies,\u201d have roots in legal realism.<span>\u00a0 <\/span>Few law professors today would identify<br>\nthemselves as formalists (though in some circles there is a move towards a \u201cnew<br>\nformalism\u201d).<span>\u00a0 <\/span>In most law school<br>\nclassrooms, including my own, judicial precedents are analyzed to examine the<br>\npolicy motivations behind the rules adopted by the court, not primarily to<br>\nextract from them universal principles of law.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><b>Which approach \u2013 formalism or realism \u2013 better accounts for<br>\n\u201claw\u201d and for the role of \u201claw\u201d in society?\u00a0 As Christians living in a post-industrial, scientific, and\/or<br>\npostmodern age, are there approaches to \u201claw\u201d we can adopt without falling into<br>\neither an extreme formalism or an extreme legal realism?<\/b><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">Further reading:<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">Larry Solum\u2019s \u201cLegal Theory Blog\u201d includes an <a href=\"http:\/\/legaltheorylexicon.blogspot.com\/2005\/05\/legal-theory-lexicon-043-formalism-and.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">excellent<br>\nentry on formalism vs. instrumentalism<\/a> (realism).<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">Oliver Wendell Holmes\u2019 essay \u201cThe Path of the Law\u201d is<br>\navailable <a href=\"http:\/\/www.gutenberg.org\/files\/2373\/2373-h\/2373-h.htm\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">online<\/a><br>\nand as a part of a useful collection titled \u201c<a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Canon-American-Legal-Thought\/dp\/0691120005\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">The<br>\nCanon of American Legal Thought<\/a>.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Harold J. Berman\u2019s two-volume <em><strong><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/0674517768?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=jescre-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0674517768\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Law and Revolution: The Formation of the Western Legal Tradition<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.assoc-amazon.com\/e\/ir?t=jescre-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=0674517768\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\" alt=\"\" style=\"border:none !important;margin:0px !important\"><br>\n<\/strong><\/em> and <em><strong><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/0674022300?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=jescre-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0674022300\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Law and Revolution, II, The Impact of the Protestant Reformations on the Western Legal Tradition<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.assoc-amazon.com\/e\/ir?t=jescre-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=0674022300\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\" alt=\"\" style=\"border:none !important;margin:0px !important\"><br>\n<\/strong><\/em> is a magisterial treatment of how Christianity shaped early<br>\nWestern notions of law.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><!--EndFragment--><\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I announced last week that we are beginning a new series this week with David Opderbeck, a professor of law. 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