{"id":6316,"date":"2009-11-27T06:00:21","date_gmt":"2009-11-27T11:00:21","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/community\/jesuscreed\/2009\/11\/27\/going-beyond-the-bible-biblically-4\/"},"modified":"2009-11-27T06:00:21","modified_gmt":"2009-11-27T11:00:21","slug":"going-beyond-the-bible-biblically-4","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/jesuscreed\/2009\/11\/27\/going-beyond-the-bible-biblically-4\/","title":{"rendered":"Going Beyond the Bible Biblically 4"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<\/head>

\"Gutenberg_Bible<\/span>Let\u2019s begin today with a question:\u00a0How do we justify abolition of slavery when the Bible contains it and in some ways justifies it?<\/b><\/p>\n


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How do you deal with that question?
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The big questions in this series of posts have been these: How do we move beyond the Bible? Should we?\u00a0Better yet: Since we have to, how do we move beyond the Bible into our world but do this biblically?<\/b>\u00a0<\/span><\/b>\n
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This is the concern of Zondervan\u2019s new Counterpoint book edited by Gary Meadors: Four Views on Moving beyond the Bible to Theology (Counterpoints: Bible and Theology)<\/a>\"\"
\n<\/strong><\/em>. \u00a0We\u2019ve looked at Walt Kaiser\u2019s principlizing method, Daniel Doriani\u2019s redemptive-historical, Kevin Vanhoozer\u2019s theo-dramatic approach, and today we look at William Webb\u2019s redemptive movement approach. Here\u2019s a great entrance for us:<\/div>\n
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\u201cIt would appear that many biblical texts were written within a cultural framework with limited or incremental<\/i> movement toward an ultimate ethic\u201d (217).<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n


\nWebb proposes understanding the underlying \u201cspirit\u201d of the text \u2014 and I am convinced in some ways the \u201cspirit\u201d of a text can be connected to Kaiser\u2019s principlizing (not as woodenly, of course) but done so more along the line of Vanhoozer\u2019s theo-dramatic need to carry forward the spirit of the Bible and its intent, etc, into our world.<\/p>\n

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For Webb there is a chart:<\/div>\n
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Original context (historical) <\u2013 Biblical Text \u2014> Ultimate ethic<\/div>\n
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The Bible speaks from and into the original context, but it does so on a spectrum as it moves toward the ultimate ethic in the kingdom of God. That\u2019s the redemptive movement \u2014 to recognize \u201cthat was then, but this is now\u201d (Vanhoozer and Webb) \u2014 and to recognize that there is movement within the Bible that is not fully realized by or in the Bible, though that ultimate ethic is taught in the Bible itself (a point not often enough respected for what Webb is saying).<\/div>\n
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Webb has an amazingly complete sketch of how Christians appropriate Biblical texts on spanking and corporal punishment.<\/div>\n
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Here\u2019s a terrorizing text from Deut 21:10-14, and I\u2019d be interested how we can read this apart from Webb\u2019s redemptive movement, who argues that even this text \u2014 as horrifying as it can be appear \u2014 is a powerful redemptive contrast to what is found in many ANE texts, where the treatment of women was disgustingly barbaric.<\/div>\n
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21:10<\/span>\u00a0When you go out to do battle with your enemies and the\u00a0Lord<\/span>\u00a0your God allows you to prevail and you take prisoners,\u00a021:11<\/span>\u00a0if you should see among them an attractive woman whom you wish to take as a wife,\u00a021:12<\/span>\u00a0you may bring her back to your house. She must shave her head, trim her nails,\u00a021:13<\/span>\u00a0discard the clothing she was wearing when captured, and stay in your house, lamenting for her father and mother for a full month. After that you may have sexual relations with her and become her husband and she your wife.\u00a021:14<\/span>\u00a0If you are not pleased with her, then you must let her go where she pleases. You cannot in any case sell her; you must not take advantage of her, since you have already humiliated her.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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